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18psi 04-30-2011 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 721328)
Nice new sig 18.

Dann

:facepalm: this shit is starting to get annoying

92dx 04-30-2011 05:58 PM

OP should look into the sweet azz turbo rotary with pistons upgrade. Mustang GTR style..pretty rare

Sparetire 04-30-2011 08:05 PM

Man, you guys are fucking assholes.

OP, here is what you do:

First off, you are dead on about getting a block with low mileage. By 100K cast iron is significanly weaker due to the sheer number of heat cycles it has been through REGARDLESS of the differences between highway miles and stop and go traffic. Beyond the simple strength of a new block, it will flex less, meaning you are going to have a much more consistent tune. Honestly, I would get a new block from the factory. They are still available if you contact the right dealer.

Next, ditch the stock rods. Forged pistons will not only handle the boost better, they will also be lighter, meaning you can rev faster.

For an ECU, you should skip all the lame stuff like MegaSquirt and go strait for a MOTEC setup. More expensive and more complex maybe, but if you want to do this right, its the way to go.

T3 turbos are pretty much old news. While T3/T4s can definitely work, personal opinion is that you need a S500 series turbo to run that kind of boost consitently. Old Garret stuff is too sensitive to the ambient temp and other factors.

Finnally, what trans will you use? Thats where you will need to really do your homework on this. Some people swear by the 6 speeds, particularly later year MS units, but IMHO something along the lines of a w58 trans from a Toyo is going to be more reliable.

Keep in mind that people get all hung-up on power levels online. Ask anyone on the street actually doing some real-deal highway roll-on racing and they will tell you that a 500HP high boost car can take a car making slightly more power but a bit less boost simply because the higher boost car make more TQ. TQ matters, not some dyno plot that only measures HP.

I dont blame you for not staying on this forum. Frankly most of the really helpful, knowledgeable people are over on the Club Roadster forums and Miata.net.

Good Luck!

Techsalvager 04-30-2011 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by 92dx (Post 721420)
OP should look into the sweet azz turbo rotary with pistons upgrade. Mustang GTR style..pretty rare

piston rotary
http://cache.pakwheels.com/forums/20...heels(com).gif

Sparetire 04-30-2011 10:49 PM

Someone has been watching the LeMons forums :)

Techsalvager 04-30-2011 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by Sparetire (Post 721530)
Someone has been watching the LeMons forums :)

nah, thats a radial piston engine in that mr2. But yes I do like that mr2 build.

nitrodann 05-01-2011 03:43 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 721411)
:facepalm: this shit is starting to get annoying

Sorry I actually dont know what ive done to piss you off here...?

Dann

18psi 05-01-2011 03:47 AM

LOL not you dude. I was saying that the mods fucking with my sig is getting annoying. (they keep changing it lol)

nitrodann 05-01-2011 03:52 AM

Sweet, i was thinking, I respect this guy here, and give props to his sig, now hes pissed off with me.. Aren't I ranting to noobs about their flaming homosexuality around here enough? I know I dont fit in when I tell noobs to shut up and listen rather than just tell them to run a 500 shot.. lol

Cheers mate,
Dann

Clos561 05-01-2011 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 721033)

sounds like a good time :giggle:

baron340 05-01-2011 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Sparetire (Post 721475)
Man, you guys are fucking assholes.

OP, here is what you do:

First off, you are dead on about getting a block with low mileage. By 100K cast iron is significanly weaker due to the sheer number of heat cycles it has been through REGARDLESS of the differences between highway miles and stop and go traffic. Beyond the simple strength of a new block, it will flex less, meaning you are going to have a much more consistent tune. Honestly, I would get a new block from the factory. They are still available if you contact the right dealer....

Wow... this is totally wrong. Low miles will certainly have less corrosion in the water jacket, but did you cite that issue, nope. You went with heat stress. If your engine is getting hot enough to cause atomic creep in cast iron, you have serious issues. An engine should never, ever get that hot. So basically, the strength of an old block, corrosion argument aside, will be the same as a new block. And in some cases will actually be stronger due to nitrogen in the combustion chambers being absorbed into the cylinder jackets on an atomic scale.



Originally Posted by Sparetire (Post 721475)
Keep in mind that people get all hung-up on power levels online. Ask anyone on the street actually doing some real-deal highway roll-on racing and they will tell you that a 500HP high boost car can take a car making slightly more power but a bit less boost simply because the higher boost car make more TQ. TQ matters, not some dyno plot that only measures HP.

I dont blame you for not staying on this forum. Frankly most of the really helpful, knowledgeable people are over on the Club Roadster forums and Miata.net.

Good Luck!

Yes power levels do matter, way more than pressure levels. More boost doesn't make more torque. It actually makes less, more boost means more heat. I don't care how amazingly awesome your intercooler is, higher initial temperature means higher cylinder temperature. And I don't know what dyno you go to that doesn't measure torque, because that one is physically impossible. You can't just measure 'Power'. The HP is calculated by measuring the torque and then deriving the power from that measurement.

18psi 05-01-2011 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by baron340 (Post 721629)
Wow... this is totally wrong.......




Yes power levels do matter.........

Did you seriously not catch his sarcasm?:noob:

baron340 05-01-2011 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 721645)
Did you seriously not catch his sarcasm?:noob:

Apparently not. I am discovering that posting before coffee is just as dangerous as drunk posting. Meh, wouldn't be th first I've put my foot in mouth on the interwebz. :loser:

triple88a 05-01-2011 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Techsalvager (Post 721502)

radial engines works a "bit" differently otherwise you got unhappy passengers on the plane :bowrofl:

triple88a 05-01-2011 03:46 PM

Well after i saw this i had to post it here...

http://thekneeslider.com/images/radialbike.jpg

tasty danish 05-01-2011 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by myaturbzz (Post 721393)
ya all you tasty danish fags are ricers. all kc is either ricer or mustangs. eat shit fag. and everyone else... wats up with all the gay shit?? you keep posting your favorites on the forum.. not the right place. and troll troll troll... idc wat the fuck u call me.. u would sit there and jack off to my picture... all this gay posted stuff coming from grown men in miatas... cool real cool

Tee hee! The kid that is building his car around a target PSI called me a ricer! how cute! Well, you still live in KC and I left, so I guess that makes you right, KC is all ricer.

I was under the impression that fighter jets that say US NAVY across the side were not rice, but I guess I was wrong. Hey can you teach me to run 20psi too? My old rx-7 only ran 14, granted it broke the tires loose in 3rd gear, but boost is what matters amirite?

Techsalvager 05-01-2011 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 721678)
radial engines works a "bit" differently otherwise you got unhappy passengers on the plane :bowrofl:

yeah radial engines have a moving crankshaft
Rotary pistons have a stationary crankshaft and have their cylinders move around them.

sixshooter 05-02-2011 09:56 AM

The other rotary engines:





Bassmaster 05-02-2011 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 720306)
words.

This is a disgusting post...has no business in any miata forum..should have been deleted....and I cant believe the op took the time to answer with this supposedly funny garbage?

hustler 05-02-2011 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Bassmaster (Post 722176)
This is a disgusting post...has no business in any miata forum..should have been deleted....and I cant believe the op took the time to answer with this supposedly funny garbage?

If you want something worse I can give it to you. If you don't like it, don't read it. This is the only way I can climax, deal with it.


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