Engine Performance This section is for discussion on all engine building related questions.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: KPower

Forged pistons & turbo lag reduction

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-11-2014, 11:54 AM
  #1  
Newb
Thread Starter
 
CHAKISIMO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 7
Total Cats: -14
Default Forged pistons & turbo lag reduction

I have a 1997 miata 1.8L & I plan to get a Garrett GT2860 from BEGI, I plan to run it at it's full potential (12psi) but talking to a specialist he mentioned that the turbo is a bit too big so there would be some turbo lag & I was thinking of purchasing CP forged pistons 84mm 9:1 compression set, I already bought a lightweight flywheel & lightweight crank pulley, what do you guys think? Is CP forged pistons a good brand? (Btw this is gonna be my daily car I plan to race it at least 20% of the time) Is increasing the bore size gonna help? Any other ways to reduce turbo lag?
CHAKISIMO is offline  
Reply
Leave a poscat -3 Leave a negcat
Old 09-11-2014, 12:03 PM
  #2  
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,481
Default

I think you have no idea what you're doing.


but I'll be nice and help you anyway:
to reduce turbo lag you want to run a properly sized turbo and have the least amount of restriction in the exhaust and charge air path. Properly sized turbo is the smallest turbo that will reach your hp and tq goals, and least restriction means good hotside parts and good charge side path, intercooler flow, and IM flow.

Before you make n00b mistakes with a build/setup, I suggest doing way more research.

PS: sure, overboring and running bigger pistons will get you to 1.9L, and will help, but not nearly as much as what I mentioned above.
18psi is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 12:05 PM
  #3  
Elite Member
iTrader: (17)
 
pdexta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 2,949
Total Cats: 182
Default

It's all in your plans and how much power you want. You mentioned a GT2860 at 12psi, which should be around 250whp. If that's your power goal, you'd be better off with a GT2560 that's easily capable of that power and will spool a good bit faster.

If you want to push the power a little higher, toward 300whp, then the GT2860 or GT2871 and a built motor is probably a better option.
pdexta is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 12:10 PM
  #4  
Elite Member
iTrader: (17)
 
pdexta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 2,949
Total Cats: 182
Default

Originally Posted by CHAKISIMO
lightweight crank pulley
Also, these are death to miatas. Make sure you research real well before you put it on and destroy your oil pump.
pdexta is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 12:20 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Twodoor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Meridian, Mississippi
Posts: 628
Total Cats: 44
Default

Man, you guys are getting soft in your old age! Giving good advice, with no insults?

OP, you hit the jackpot of people in a good mood for some reason... take their advice as a gift from the gods!

Keith
Twodoor is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 12:28 PM
  #6  
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,201
Default

Originally Posted by CHAKISIMO
I have a 1997 miata 1.8L & I plan to get a
Garrett GT2860 from BEGI, I plan to run it at it's full potential (12psi)
It'll do more than that on a BP, sir.

but talking to a specialist he mentioned that the turbo is a bit too big
Too big for... what? Turbo is fine.

so there would be some turbo lag
Not much.

& I was thinking of purchasing CP forged pistons 84mm 9:1 compression set,
Replace with Supertech 8.6:1 for pump gas goodness.

I already bought a lightweight flywheel
Good!

& lightweight crank pulley, what do you guys think?
Bad.


Is CP forged pistons a good brand?
Yes. Buy Supertechs anyways.

(Btw this is gonna be my daily car I plan to race it at least 20% of the time) Is increasing the bore size gonna help?
Not really.

Any other ways to reduce turbo lag?
Good tune. Good hot side. Efficient intercooler setup. Picking the correct turbo for your goals/needs, etc etc etc
concealer404 is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 03:58 PM
  #7  
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (1)
 
turbofan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Lake Forest, CA
Posts: 7,949
Total Cats: 1,003
Default

lol @ "full potential" of a 2860 being 12 psi.

You sir need a 2554 or 2560.
__________________
Ed@949Racing/Supermiata
www.949racing.com
www.supermiata.com
turbofan is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 03:59 PM
  #8  
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,201
Default

Originally Posted by turbofan
lol @ "full potential" of a 2860 being 12 psi.

You sir need a 2554 or 2560.


I'd say those are both too big to be limited at 12psi on a BP.
concealer404 is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 04:05 PM
  #9  
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (1)
 
turbofan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Lake Forest, CA
Posts: 7,949
Total Cats: 1,003
Default

__________________
Ed@949Racing/Supermiata
www.949racing.com
www.supermiata.com
turbofan is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 04:12 PM
  #10  
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,201
Default

Somewhere, Corky and StealthNB are jizzing over that wastegate reference port.
concealer404 is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 04:15 PM
  #11  
Moderator
iTrader: (1)
 
Girz0r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 3,033
Total Cats: 324
Default

Originally Posted by concealer404
Somewhere, Corky and StealthNB are jizzing over that wastegate reference port.


Originally Posted by turbofan
lol @ "full potential" of a 2860 being 12 psi.

You sir need a 2554 or 2560.
yes yes and yes to concealer's answer, much props

Last edited by Girz0r; 09-11-2014 at 04:25 PM.
Girz0r is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 04:29 PM
  #12  
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
thenuge26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 3,267
Total Cats: 239
Default

Eh the turbo on my Fiesta isn't much bigger than that and it hits 21psi. 1.0L FTW
thenuge26 is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 04:52 PM
  #13  
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (1)
 
turbofan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Lake Forest, CA
Posts: 7,949
Total Cats: 1,003
Default

waitwaitwait... the stock 1.0 ecoboost 3 cyl is at 21 psi?

That's idiotic. lol
__________________
Ed@949Racing/Supermiata
www.949racing.com
www.supermiata.com
turbofan is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 05:10 PM
  #14  
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
thenuge26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 3,267
Total Cats: 239
Default

Yup I think it is limited to 18 or so in 1st through 3rd gears and 21 in 4th and 5th.

Just waiting for the warranty to run out so I can strap on a GT2554 and swap it into a Miata!
thenuge26 is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 05:10 PM
  #15  
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Chilicharger665's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: SE NM
Posts: 1,637
Total Cats: 57
Default

Originally Posted by thenuge26
Eh the turbo on my Fiesta isn't much bigger than that and it hits 21psi. 1.0L FTW
I second Ed. What are you talking about? Proof plz.

This thread is now about 21 psi tiny turbos, not a noob that is going "ALLOFIT" 12 psi 2860.
Chilicharger665 is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 05:11 PM
  #16  
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Ryephile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Metro Detroit
Posts: 270
Total Cats: 26
Default

Did the OP ever state his peak power goals? Without that we can't give a real answer on turbo sizing.

Or, he could mention his high load [4th and 5th gear] boost threshold RPM requests, and then from there end up with whatever power at the top end.
Ryephile is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 05:12 PM
  #17  
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,201
Default

Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
I second Ed. What are you talking about? Proof plz.

This thread is now about 21 psi tiny turbos, not a noob that is going "ALLOFIT" 12 psi 2860.


The new 1.0 Ecoboost motor that's an option in the Fiesta. Runs lots 'o' boosto.

New cars run lots of boost. I think even the new Elantra Turbo is knocking on the door to 20psi.
concealer404 is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 05:23 PM
  #18  
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
thenuge26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 3,267
Total Cats: 239
Default

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/au...view.html?_r=0

20psi, sorry, it appears I was incorrect.

But the Fiesta, like the Porsche 911 Turbo, can also allow a temporary overboost, raising maximum boost to 20 p.s.i. and generating 148 pound-feet of torque for as long as 15 seconds.
thenuge26 is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 06:10 PM
  #19  
Junior Member
 
guttedmiata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 440
Total Cats: 3
Default

Originally Posted by turbofan
I need this for my leaf blower
guttedmiata is offline  
Old 09-11-2014, 06:28 PM
  #20  
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
thenuge26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 3,267
Total Cats: 239
Default

Here's the Fiesta turbo with a quarter on the compressor for comparison:

Attached Thumbnails Forged pistons & turbo lag reduction-s6l2ylh.jpg  
thenuge26 is offline  


Quick Reply: Forged pistons & turbo lag reduction



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:56 AM.