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hustler 01-25-2009 07:51 PM

has anyone made "big-power" on belfab/etd/probe/CAT rods yet?
 
I'm about to give the boost controller a twist with my gt2860rs, but don't want to be the first guy to push the limits with these rods. I played with a 240whp car yesterday, and it was a pretty close race all the way up, and I slightly pulled at 10psi, lol.

This turbo is supposed to be really happy at 18psi...so maybe I'll put down 300+whp in the near future. One step at a time of course, and I don't want to bend up rods.

Time for 15psi?

patsmx5 01-25-2009 07:52 PM

Those rods will not bend. Period. /thread.

Savington 01-25-2009 08:07 PM

Is your fuel map set up to twist the boost controller?

ChuckyZ 01-25-2009 08:15 PM

I will have my belfab setup running in the couple of weeks so I am also curious of this. My research so far has shown 20-22psi is safe with good tune.

akaryrye 01-25-2009 08:24 PM

I have no experience, but I would not hesitate to run 20psi.

Efini~FC3S 01-25-2009 08:31 PM

So you're not worried about shredding you transmission anymore?

M-Tuned 01-25-2009 09:52 PM

No issues at all.. I ran the same (supplier) rods that we sell, but a B18 Honda version in the 650+hp range without an issue. That was 30psi on a GT4088r.

hustler 01-25-2009 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 358793)
Is your fuel map set up to twist the boost controller?

I put in the Walbro 255 and after retuning my max duty went from 100% to 64%. What's max reasonable duty?

mazda/nissan 01-25-2009 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 358950)
I put in the Walbro 255 and after retuning my max duty went from 100% to 64%. What's max reasonable duty?

I think I heard like 85% or something like that a while back

hustler 01-25-2009 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S (Post 358797)
So you're not worried about shredding you transmission anymore?

I have a sixer lined up.

y8s 01-26-2009 10:40 AM

conservative max is 80%. given your serious anxiety, you should run below that.

or less than 300 rwhp on 550 cc injectors.

Savington 01-26-2009 11:26 PM

I'm running high 70s, wouldn't hesitate to go up to 85% but not beyond it. I have 460s though.

patsmx5 01-26-2009 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 359441)
I'm running high 70s, wouldn't hesitate to go up to 85% but not beyond it. I have 460s though.

Around 80-85, the injectors don't close. I wouldn't "not hesitate" to run 85%. Because at that level, it's VERY close to going over. You will have hell tuning around that duty cycle. I'd stay below 80% as y8s suggested. If you need more fuel, adjust base pressure. Much better solution IMO.

TURNS101 01-27-2009 12:03 AM

I would get bigger injectors and turn that bitch up.
I ran 18lbs several times for an entire season on stock rods.
It failed because of a stock rod bolt. Not because the rods gave up. So I think you should go for it ;)

18psi 01-27-2009 01:02 AM

I dont see why you cant run 18psi with your setup. raise it slowly 2-3 psi at a time and log...keep an eye on afr and knock sensor as you do.

I cant even imagine how fucking badass 18psi on your setup would feel.....cant wait to start my build.

Savington 01-27-2009 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 359450)
Around 80-85, the injectors don't close. I wouldn't "not hesitate" to run 85%. Because at that level, it's VERY close to going over. You will have hell tuning around that duty cycle. I'd stay below 80% as y8s suggested. If you need more fuel, adjust base pressure. Much better solution IMO.

Interesting. I seem to get decent resolution up there. 81.5% DC, 11.2ish:1, 14psi. I wonder if I need a fuel pump.

18psi 01-27-2009 02:53 AM

dont know about miata's, but with subaru's/evo's people run 80-90-95-and even 100% idc's and I have not seen a problem yet. Sure its not good and pushing them way too much, but that doesnt automatically mean they will shit themselves right away. Mellon tuning owner has been running his evo at 117% idc's before actually started to run out of fuel. the car drove like that for a month before one of the injectors started tweaking.

anyways: over 80 is pushing it.

therieldeal 01-27-2009 09:26 AM

ummm...

117% duty cycle?

you know thats impossible, right?

100% = open all the time. you cant make the thing stay open more than all the time... lol

hustler 01-27-2009 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by therieldeal (Post 359550)
ummm...

117% duty cycle?

you know thats impossible, right?

100% = open all the time. you cant make the thing stay open more than all the time... lol

Stephen Hawking tuned this car and opened a worm-hole into a new quantum where duty cycles defy convention.

johndoe 01-27-2009 10:39 AM

Glad to see your balls are dropping.


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