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Old Apr 24, 2017 | 08:19 PM
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In racing sometime you have to go above-and-beyond for reliable fasteners. Turbo bolts are well covered here, folks run high end stuff to make sure fasteners work right. For a crank bolt stock spec is probably fine. Since I ran a SC back when I put that bolt on I torqued it to 150 and put red loc tite cause SC guys strip the keyway with extra loading a lot more often than other folks. And I ran a lot of boost and a big SC, so I was pullling 100+ hp off the crank to drive that blower. Probably overkill but better than a failure from that bolt vibrating loose or stripping the key. For a crank bolt I'd rather over than under tighten that bolt, since under torque is very likely going to end like it did for the OP here.

On my converter bolts, I torqued them to 40-50 ft*lbs (7/16 grade 8 bolts) and they vibrated loose in about 10 miles! After searching some drag racing forums, the known to work fix is 80-90 ft*lbs and lots of red loc-tite. I did that, problem solved. Have a couple thousand miles on it now and so far bolts haven't moved. For the curious, that's not factory spec because factory spec on those doesn't work reliably in a drag car.
Old Apr 24, 2017 | 08:29 PM
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Sure. Overtorquing is great until the bolt yields and then it fails.

Torque specs exist for a reason. Especially FSM torque specs.
Old Apr 24, 2017 | 08:52 PM
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FSM torque spec is actually 3 braps.
Old Apr 26, 2017 | 08:25 AM
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Also, re-using a crank bolt can sometimes lead to the above damage. It is a pain, but I always buy a new crank bolt when doing timing belt work.
Old Apr 26, 2017 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MX5RACER
Also, re-using a crank bolt can sometimes lead to the above damage. It is a pain, but I always buy a new crank bolt when doing timing belt work.
Ditto. The FSM doesn't specify it as a TTY bolt, but I replace it (and the key) on every motor I build. The exceptions are on my own personal motors during maintenance, since I know the bolt was replaced and has never been overtorqued.
Old Apr 26, 2017 | 12:28 PM
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Fwiw it's a $9 bolt through Mazdacomp. I bought 2. Seems too easy to replace to mess around with.
Old Apr 26, 2017 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by aidandj
Fwiw it's a $9 bolt through Mazdacomp. I bought 2. Seems too easy to replace to mess around with.
This.

But I'm also the type that when I completely redid the entire suspension for '90 Track rat, every bushing/bolt/nut/washer was replaced with fresh.
Old Apr 26, 2017 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
This.

But I'm also the type that when I completely redid the entire suspension for '90 Track rat, every bushing/bolt/nut/washer was replaced with fresh.
Wise. The last issue I had with my suspension was a yielding eccentric bolt. Leads to all kinds of mischief.
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Still waiting to see what the used crankshaft I'm after looks like. Going to get my wrench tested (for free!) I'll definitely be buying new hardware. Won't be for a few.eeeks at least.

Thanks for all the discussion.
Old Apr 28, 2017 | 01:14 PM
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It's hard to tell from the pics, but have you tried a new key in the crank yet? Cranks are pretty hard steel.
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I have not tried that. I will pull the sprocket and take a better look.
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Got some pictures of the used crank I'm thinking about using. Not sure that I like it. I see some grooves and wear on the oil seal surface and some bearing surfaces look rough? not to mention there is slight keyway wear as well. What do you think ?
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I wouldn't use it. I'd find a good 1.8 to get a good crank out of. One that doesn't need any repairs can be found for probably 100 bucks. Maybe less if you find a good deal.
Old Apr 30, 2017 | 03:45 AM
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That's what I suspected - thanks..
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Run away.
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That keyway is already hosed. Why start out with bad when good ones are available?

Contact Partsgroup.com. They've always done alright by me.

http://partsgroup.com/part/1994-2005...00c-bp0611300c
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That crank is a paperweight
Old May 2, 2017 | 12:21 PM
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I have always wondered why there is not a better field repair for this common problem.

I was thinking something similar to what they do for GM LS motors for superchargers. Like this:
Pinning the crank pulley - LS1GTO.com Forums
Old May 5, 2017 | 12:24 AM
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Thanks for the tips, its either look at the parts group crank and ship to Canada or perhaps, but probably not look at the pinning options available.
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So you tried a new key in the crank and it wasn't a tight fit?



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