Loud Clattering from the Head at Startup??
When I start up my car after it's sat a while (30 minutes-1 hour), I hear a loud clattering from the head. After about 1-2 seconds, it goes away and everything sounds great. If I immediately restart it, it sounds normal. If it's only sat for 20-30 minutes, it only clatters for about a half second or less. It happens when the oil is cold and when it's hot.
Strange thing is that this started happening in my old stock motor too, around 70K or so miles. My current motor is a completely different block, head, oil pump etc etc and is freshly built. WTF is this shit? I am not low on oil. FWIW if I crank with the valve cover off, oil does shoot up the VVT stalk. Not a huge stream of oil, but it does spray. I do also have oil pressure on my gauge after startup, in cruise etc. I am guessing this clattering has to do with oil pressure building up in the head? WTH is it happening in both my old and new motor? Does anyone else hear this when they start up? Help please. I don't want my fresh motor to die young. |
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My 1.8 does it every time I start it up. Pretty sure both my 1.6's did it also. I don't know much about accusump but if you are worried about damaging something due to low/no oil pressure on startup maybe you should look into it.
I am pretty sure when you turn the car off the oil drains down into the engine and the ticking from the lack of oil for the few seconds it takes the pump to supply oil to the head. |
Well, it's not really a ticking. It's a loud BRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT
I will make a video soon. In the meantime, anyone else experience this? |
Originally Posted by faeflora
(Post 622482)
When I start up my car after it's sat a while (30 minutes-1 hour), I hear a loud clattering from the head. After about 1-2 seconds, it goes away and everything sounds great. If I immediately restart it, it sounds normal. If it's only sat for 20-30 minutes, it only clatters for about a half second or less. It happens when the oil is cold and when it's hot...
It takes a few seconds for the oil pump to push oil into them. Until then there is no "pillow" of oil inside the HLAs and they click when they bottom out. If the sound continues for more then 5 seconds or starts randomly while driving then worry. Make sure you are using an oil filter with an anti drainback valve (it'll be on the box and you usually can see the the rubber like material in the little holes on top of the filter itself) and the correct weight oil for your temp range, too thin can cause the same issue. This is part of the reason you should let your car idle for 30 seconds to a minute before driving, just to make sure the oil have traveled everywhere it needs to. |
My gosh...how many of you people don't understand that 99-05 heads DO NOT HAVE HYDRAULIC LIFTERS?!
I know that noise you are talking about- almost like a spinning bearing that is loose. Next time it does it, immediately turn the engine off and restart and it should go away. Mine did it now and then...but I never figured out why. It *seemed* to happen when oil was a bit low...but I never determined that for a fact. |
Originally Posted by Doppelgänger
(Post 622599)
My gosh...how many of you people don't understand that 99-05 heads DO NOT HAVE HYDRAULIC LIFTERS?!
I know that noise you are talking about- almost like a spinning bearing that is loose. Next time it does it, immediately turn the engine off and restart and it should go away. Mine did it now and then...but I never figured out why. It *seemed* to happen when oil was a bit low...but I never determined that for a fact. |
Oops probably should have looked at the year. Admittedly i know nothing about NBs or NCs.
Did they go to solid tappets? |
Originally Posted by faeflora
(Post 622612)
Does it happen every single time you start? For me, it goes away after 1 second so I just let it go after I start.
I only had it happen awhile back on the engine before I replaced it. Since the sound was very hard on my ears, when it would happen, I would cut the ignition and restart the car....I didn't want to take any chances, ya know? |
Originally Posted by Underway
(Post 622618)
Oops probably should have looked at the year. Admittedly i know nothing about NBs or NCs.
Did they go to solid tappets? |
Nope but I think I read somewhere that they weren't hydrollic.:rolleyes:
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The VVT actuator kinda gives it away.
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Are your cam pulley bolts tight? Get the feelers out and measure at cold and hot on the lifters.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 622769)
Are your cam pulley bolts tight? Get the feelers out and measure at cold and hot on the lifters.
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Originally Posted by Doppelgänger
(Post 622755)
The VVT actuator kinda gives it away.
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Originally Posted by Underway
(Post 622835)
Is the Actuator hydrollic?
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I am pretty positive if his cam bolts were loose he would loose timing quickly (as I did). So where is the video of this "noise"???
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Originally Posted by faeflora
(Post 622874)
Yes. Operates via a solenoid that sits on top of the valve cover.
I would treat it exactly the same as HLA noise. Do you have heavier valve springs? This would magnify the effect because the cams would have just a bit more resistance to rolling because of the increase pressure on the lobes. |
happens to me everytime i start the car cold....i should get into the habit of starting the car in 'flood clear' mode for 5 or 10 seconds. It's just the oil pump self priming. The ticking would probably go away with near perfect cam->lifter clearances.
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9 times out of 10 my car doesn't do it. Only after I drive it hard, park, and start it 5-10 minutes later. It'll tick from anywhere from 20 seconds to 5 minutes.
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