Notices
Engine Performance This section is for discussion on all engine building related questions.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: KPower

MSM cams in VVT Head?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 12:33 PM
  #1  
Ryan_G's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,568
Total Cats: 217
From: Tampa, Florida
Default MSM cams in VVT Head?

I was planning on building my MSM motor but found a great deal on an 01' motor with VVT that I will be purchasing. I want to know if there is any reason the MSM cams would not work in a VVT motor if I swapped them over since they are slightly more aggressive from my understanding. Would this swap offer the benefits I am expecting?
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 12:40 PM
  #2  
soviet's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 3,493
Total Cats: 269
From: VA
Default

Interesting question.

I know for sure that VVT intake cam has a nub on the end for the CAM sensor, which is no other cams have. You can probably work around that.

I'm not aware of any other reason why they wouldn't fit, but its possible that the VVT actuator has something to do with it.



edit: yeah the VVT intake cam has screw holes for actuator mounting on it and sticks out a lot further.


More pictures:
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...84/#post319719
Attached Thumbnails MSM cams in VVT Head?-394228273_9qnr3-l.jpg  
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 12:42 PM
  #3  
Ryan_G's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,568
Total Cats: 217
From: Tampa, Florida
Default

I actually only think the exhaust cam on the MSM is more aggressive so I don't think that is a big deal.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 12:50 PM
  #4  
miata2fast's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,145
Total Cats: 175
From: Dover, FL
Default

Originally Posted by soviet
Interesting question.

I know for sure that VVT intake cam has a nub on the end for the CAM sensor, which is no other cams have. You can probably work around that.

I'm not aware of any other reason why they wouldn't fit, but its possible that the VVT actuator has something to do with it.



edit: yeah the VVT intake cam has screw holes for actuator mounting on it and sticks out a lot further.


More pictures:
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...84/#post319719
I have heard of motor parts being called boat anchors, but was that head actually used as a boat anchor?
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 01:04 PM
  #5  
Ryan_G's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,568
Total Cats: 217
From: Tampa, Florida
Default

So I read that thread you linked soviet and I saw a whole lot of speculation but did not see any actual tested results. It is also incredibly old and I assume that someone has tried this in the past 5 years. I was thinking Savington or Emilio would have done this or atleast figured out if it would work.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 01:10 PM
  #6  
18psi's Avatar
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,482
Default

Very intersting question indeed.

I'm hoping someone has good info on this. (or you try it and report back )
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 01:13 PM
  #7  
Oscar's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,022
Total Cats: 120
From: Bolton, UK
Default

Originally Posted by Ryan_G
I actually only think the exhaust cam on the MSM is more aggressive so I don't think that is a big deal.
And here I was thinking the BP5A intake cam was the hot ticket for non-VVT builds as an OEM solution.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 01:14 PM
  #8  
Ryan_G's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,568
Total Cats: 217
From: Tampa, Florida
Default

If I get no answer and it fits the motor with no problems I will be more than happy to dyno test this thing.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 01:15 PM
  #9  
Savington's Avatar
Former Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,442
Total Cats: 2,106
From: Sunnyvale, CA
Default

Exhaust cams are identical for all 99-05 motors including the MSM AFAIK.

VVT intake cams are unique and cannot be interchanged with BP4W or BP5A cams. The #1 journal has a significantly larger diameter.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 01:19 PM
  #10  
Ryan_G's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,568
Total Cats: 217
From: Tampa, Florida
Default

Thank you for the response Savington. That is just the info I needed.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 02:06 PM
  #11  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,541
Total Cats: 4,364
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Originally Posted by Ryan_G
Would this swap offer the benefits I am expecting?
by removing the cam sensor and VVT abilities? I wouldn't call those benefits.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 02:22 PM
  #12  
Savington's Avatar
Former Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,442
Total Cats: 2,106
From: Sunnyvale, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack
by removing the cam sensor and VVT abilities? I wouldn't call those benefits.
I think the monumental oil leak and oil pressure loss that would result from the mismatched journal diameter outshines the issues created by a lack of cam sensor/VVT.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 02:32 PM
  #13  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,541
Total Cats: 4,364
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

He should swap in a 1.6L and buy a B6T turbo manifold.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 03:00 PM
  #14  
Savington's Avatar
Former Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,442
Total Cats: 2,106
From: Sunnyvale, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack
He should swap in a 1.6L and buy a B6T turbo manifold.
I hear they're all over the junkyards
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 03:31 PM
  #15  
hustler's Avatar
Tour de Franzia
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
From: Republic of Dallas
Default

Originally Posted by Savington
I hear they're all over the junkyards
That's where I found my 3.63, 3.30, and 5.22 rear ends.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 03:32 PM
  #16  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,541
Total Cats: 4,364
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

you missed the joke:

Is it possible to get a miata 1994 stock to 200hp with only $3,000? - MX-5 Miata Forum

20g's.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Full_Tilt_Boogie
Build Threads
84
Apr 12, 2021 04:21 PM
Rick02R
WTB
3
Jan 3, 2016 07:18 PM
tazswing
Race Prep
20
Oct 3, 2015 11:04 AM
ihiryu
General Miata Chat
9
Sep 28, 2015 10:22 AM




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:49 AM.