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miatauser123 08-01-2011 02:39 AM

So I feel like I'm spooling slow - GT2860RS
 
I'm pretty sure the car spools way too slowly. I usually don't get to full boost (12.5 LBS) until 5k. Is this normal for my setup?

GT2860RS
BEGI S4 with big intercooler
FM exhaust with high flow cat


What should I expect? I'm petty noobish about the factors that come into play when it comes to spooling. Fill me in?

18psi 08-01-2011 03:03 AM

You're going to have to post way more details than that. What engine, boost control, etc.

But 5k is still too slow. Any exhaust leaks? Boost leaks?

Something is wrong.

Techsalvager 08-01-2011 06:38 AM

I"d say check for boost leaks, broken couplers, ripped vacuum plugs, etc

miatauser123 08-01-2011 02:15 PM

Manual boost controller. I have a TurboSmart eboost2 controller but i'm not using it.

I have an exhaust leak but not pre turbo? Does this cause issues related to spool?

Its a 2002 1.8 stock head and bottom end. I don't think i have a boost leak because my vac is at about 18-19 and my boost doesn't fall off at all once it's spooled.

Any other info that might help you guys help me? Let me know, thanks.

hustler 08-01-2011 02:21 PM

.86 or .64 A/R turbine housing?

Where is the leak. If it's at the turbo->DP, this is a huge problem.

sixshooter 08-01-2011 02:35 PM

A bleeder type MBC doesn't help spool any. Ball and spring will rise faster. EBC is bestest, imho.

As stated, vacuum leaks are a good place to start.

Faeflora 08-01-2011 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Dem768 (Post 755547)
Manual boost controller. I have a TurboSmart eboost2 controller but i'm not using it.

I have an exhaust leak but not pre turbo? Does this cause issues related to spool?

Its a 2002 1.8 stock head and bottom end. I don't think i have a boost leak because my vac is at about 18-19 and my boost doesn't fall off at all once it's spooled.

Any other info that might help you guys help me? Let me know, thanks.


What is your EMS? Are you controlling VVT? I ask because if you screw up somehow and advance the cam all the time, you will spool VERY late.

I also recommend checking all your charge piping, upper/lower intake manifold bolts, and also your S4-turbo bolts.

Techsalvager 08-01-2011 05:28 PM

you can have plenty of air leaks that can kill spool
Also I had same amount of vacuum at idle 29-31kpa with pre tb leaks and boost wouldn't fall off either, it would just take forever to build up.

with leaks at max boost setting on my MBC I was hitting 200kpa, after leaks pluged not even close to max out on it I'm hitting 220kpa+

MartinezA92 08-01-2011 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by Dem768 (Post 755547)
Manual boost controller. I have a TurboSmart eboost2 controller but i'm not using it.

I have an exhaust leak but not pre turbo? Does this cause issues related to spool?

Its a 2002 1.8 stock head and bottom end. I don't think i have a boost leak because my vac is at about 18-19 and my boost doesn't fall off at all once it's spooled.

Any other info that might help you guys help me? Let me know, thanks.

Pre throttle body boost leaks won't show on a vacuum gauge.

fastivab6tg25mr 08-01-2011 08:35 PM

charge pipe size? intercooler dimensions?

Faeflora 08-01-2011 08:44 PM

Eight inch.

miatauser123 08-01-2011 09:06 PM

Alright so I shot a video. I'm using the turbo XS manual boost controller. Standard BEGI s4 piping. It changes size a couple of times. The intercooler is their number two option - a 65$ upgrade when purchasing the kit. Here is a the clip of 3rd gear full throttle.


Faeflora 08-01-2011 09:14 PM

You have 5sp or 6sp?

miatauser123 08-01-2011 09:21 PM

5spd

miatauser123 08-02-2011 11:14 AM

Anything after watching the video? This probably isn't normal. If so, I'd rather have a smaller turbo and be able to use it.

Braineack 08-02-2011 11:18 AM

why too slow of boost, even with a .86.

miatauser123 08-02-2011 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 755850)
why too slow of boost, even with a .86.

I thought so too. I'll start with connecting my TurboSmart controller.

Any other thoughts? It's probably not the boost controller.

Braineack 08-02-2011 11:49 AM

how does it spool with just a line to the wastegate?

pdexta 08-02-2011 12:10 PM

I just wanted to be the 7th person to suggest that it's most likely a boost leak. As stated previously, a leak between the turbo and throttle body will not affect idle or drop off boost at high rpms.

When I first turbocharged my car I made the exact same thread, everyone said it was a boost leak so I pressure tested the charge piping. My blow off valve (that came with the BEGI kit) was leaking quite a bit of air. I swapped it out and the problem was gone.

JasonC SBB 08-02-2011 12:19 PM

I'll be the 8th.


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