Starting a build - Need advice on order of operations
02-24-2015, 01:38 PM
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Starting a build - Need advice on order of operations
Starting from a clean slate and need advice.
Car: 1995 1.8L
Goal: Improve 0-60 time, fun street use, top speed probably won't exceed 85.
Timeline: No hurry. Waiting around for good deals in the classifieds is fine.
Mechanical Skill: Intermediate
Plan / Rough Budget
Round 1 - $1,000
Thanks.
Car: 1995 1.8L
Goal: Improve 0-60 time, fun street use, top speed probably won't exceed 85.
Timeline: No hurry. Waiting around for good deals in the classifieds is fine.
Mechanical Skill: Intermediate
Plan / Rough Budget
Round 1 - $1,000
- Header
- Intake
- Aluminum flywheel
- DIY MS
- Upgrade COPs
- Upgrade injectors
- Turbo
- Just save up and order a crate motor
- Dude, you're going to want to upgrade your suspension before you get past round 1.
- Forget this project and go pick up a WRX STI
Thanks.
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02-24-2015, 01:46 PM
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Starting from a clean slate and need advice.
Car: 1995 1.8L
Goal: Improve 0-60 time, fun street use, top speed probably won't exceed 85.
Timeline: No hurry. Waiting around for good deals in the classifieds is fine.
Mechanical Skill: Intermediate
Plan / Rough Budget
Round 1 - $1,000
Thanks.
Car: 1995 1.8L
Goal: Improve 0-60 time, fun street use, top speed probably won't exceed 85.
Timeline: No hurry. Waiting around for good deals in the classifieds is fine.
Mechanical Skill: Intermediate
Plan / Rough Budget
Round 1 - $1,000
- Header
- Intake
- Aluminum flywheel
- DIY MS
- Upgrade COPs
- Upgrade injectors
- Turbo
- Just save up and order a crate motor
- Dude, you're going to want to upgrade your suspension before you get past round 1.
- Forget this project and go pick up a WRX STI
Thanks.
Round 2 should be 1
DIY MS - Buy from a vendor
Upgrade injectors - easy DIY to EV14 style
Round 3 should be 2
Upgrade clutch (assuming you don't have anything besides stock now)
Turbo - Just buy MKTURBO...
Round 1 should be forgotten because you'll trash it all anyway when you buy turbo.
Now, if you can't find at least a dozen threads that discuss this on this site alone I'd be shocked.
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02-24-2015, 01:49 PM
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^^^^^^ this ( you beat me to it)
Sam
I would recommend a proper intro first, then look over this build section to get a idea of what people have used.. most of all your questions can be found on this site you just got to search for it.. take your time with the search, and trust me you will find what you need and then some lol
that being said I would make round 2 your first move..
Sam
I would recommend a proper intro first, then look over this build section to get a idea of what people have used.. most of all your questions can be found on this site you just got to search for it.. take your time with the search, and trust me you will find what you need and then some lol
that being said I would make round 2 your first move..
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02-24-2015, 01:54 PM
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How I would do it:
stage 0:
sort out ALL mechanical issues, leaks, etc.
stage 1: (have fun on the track or canyon)
- Roll bar. This has saved many peoples lives
- tires and wheels (but mostly good summer tires RS3 or similar)
- brake pads and higher temp fluid (hawk HP+ or similar)
- suspension and maybe poly bushing.
- any chassis stiffening you might want (frame rails are a nice addition)
stage 2: (turbo prep).
-megasquirt ECU
-wideband 02
-radiator upgrade and coolant reroute
-oil cooler would be a good idea
-injectors
-higher rated clutch kit + light fly wheel if you want one
-larger injectors
-maybe some COPS
Stage 3: (Tubro and Run ALLOFIT!)
-too many different options and paths to list. See build threads for examples and ideas.
stage 3.5: (blow up a few 5 spds and finally upgrade to a 6 spd)
stage 4: (build motor and run 2X ALLOFIT)
stage 5: realize running a boosted track car sucks and decide to swap in K-Series)
Stage 6: Realize the miata his heavy and buy a catfish or exotec frame
stage 7: realize you spent way to much on this hoby and sell all toys to buy a house or something.
stage 0:
sort out ALL mechanical issues, leaks, etc.
stage 1: (have fun on the track or canyon)
- Roll bar. This has saved many peoples lives
- tires and wheels (but mostly good summer tires RS3 or similar)
- brake pads and higher temp fluid (hawk HP+ or similar)
- suspension and maybe poly bushing.
- any chassis stiffening you might want (frame rails are a nice addition)
stage 2: (turbo prep).
-megasquirt ECU
-wideband 02
-radiator upgrade and coolant reroute
-oil cooler would be a good idea
-injectors
-higher rated clutch kit + light fly wheel if you want one
-larger injectors
-maybe some COPS
Stage 3: (Tubro and Run ALLOFIT!)
-too many different options and paths to list. See build threads for examples and ideas.
stage 3.5: (blow up a few 5 spds and finally upgrade to a 6 spd)
stage 4: (build motor and run 2X ALLOFIT)
stage 5: realize running a boosted track car sucks and decide to swap in K-Series)
Stage 6: Realize the miata his heavy and buy a catfish or exotec frame
stage 7: realize you spent way to much on this hoby and sell all toys to buy a house or something.
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02-24-2015, 02:31 PM
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I feel like I just answered this in another noob post recently. Ohh wait I did.
Now on to the important things. The order of how you should do this.
1. Install the MS and learn how to tune the car naturally aspirated. You will need to learn how to tune, there is a large learning curve. It is much harder to blow up your NA motor then once it is boosted.
2. Install new bigger injectors and retune.
3. Install clutch, but in your case this is already taken care of.
4. Install the turbo setup. Keep boost at wastegate only. Go slowly getting into boost so you can make sure AFR's are good. Make sure you have been using premium fuel for the last several tanks of gas.
5. Tune, Tune, Tune.
6. Turn up boost.
7. Built motor.
8. Bigger Turbo.
9. Go back to NA for track gloriousness.
1. Install the MS and learn how to tune the car naturally aspirated. You will need to learn how to tune, there is a large learning curve. It is much harder to blow up your NA motor then once it is boosted.
2. Install new bigger injectors and retune.
3. Install clutch, but in your case this is already taken care of.
4. Install the turbo setup. Keep boost at wastegate only. Go slowly getting into boost so you can make sure AFR's are good. Make sure you have been using premium fuel for the last several tanks of gas.
5. Tune, Tune, Tune.
6. Turn up boost.
7. Built motor.
8. Bigger Turbo.
9. Go back to NA for track gloriousness.
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02-24-2015, 02:36 PM
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I wouldn't bother with COPs until you have a problem with your current ignition. It's nice to have on the "to-do" list, but the stock stuff should hold up for a while on a modest turbo setup (assuming they aren't the original plug wires at this point).
A clutch on the other hand is something you really want to address before a turbo goes on.
A clutch on the other hand is something you really want to address before a turbo goes on.
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02-24-2015, 02:47 PM
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But seriously, I appreciate the help so far.
I know some of this has been hashed out, but it's nice to have it consolidated into a plan of action.
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02-24-2015, 02:48 PM
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02-24-2015, 03:14 PM
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What I did, was buy a car, fix mechanicals with it from brakes to suspension and added small things like roll bar and sway bars.
Instead of maintaining the 1.6L motor, I just bought and built a 1.8L over the course of the year. Buy megasquirt and get used the ins and outs while on a stock motor. It's pretty forgiving. Just change oil and add gas until the motor and parts collecting was complete...
then swapped everything and made new curse words for a month, pulled out all my hair and removed the motor 4 times. After it was all in and working, having a second car is helpful, I ******* loved it. WORTH IT, i'd tell myself. Then it blew up.
Here I am, crying myself to sleep in a mess of parts salvaging a would have been messy divorce from my Miata, and starting over again. New motor, new turbo, experience of the past to push me forward.
I can't wait to blow this one up too.
Cliffnotes: don't do it, but you're going to do it anyways, so just go for a v8
Instead of maintaining the 1.6L motor, I just bought and built a 1.8L over the course of the year. Buy megasquirt and get used the ins and outs while on a stock motor. It's pretty forgiving. Just change oil and add gas until the motor and parts collecting was complete...
then swapped everything and made new curse words for a month, pulled out all my hair and removed the motor 4 times. After it was all in and working, having a second car is helpful, I ******* loved it. WORTH IT, i'd tell myself. Then it blew up.
Here I am, crying myself to sleep in a mess of parts salvaging a would have been messy divorce from my Miata, and starting over again. New motor, new turbo, experience of the past to push me forward.
I can't wait to blow this one up too.
Cliffnotes: don't do it, but you're going to do it anyways, so just go for a v8
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02-24-2015, 06:09 PM
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Actually, I think I'm going to go for the DIYMS + LC-2, learn how to tune, and see how happy I am with the ride at that point. It has a roll bar and tires so from your recommendations that sounds like the logical next step.
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