header from the targa miata
 

I just want to say that if you guys produced that, I would definitely buy it. Talk about proven performance!

miataTURBO.net .... TURBO.

shhhh

true, but it's still a nice piece of work, if you're in to that kind of stuff :giggle:

pic? I do not access that sight anymore... my wife has blocked it on the router.

sad would be the day if my wife knew how to do things like that....

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On their site they say that the header showed a 10hp and 12 ft-lb gain. I don't know if thats an improvement over stock or another performance header they were using, but either way its better proven numbers than anyone else can claim.

here's a pic for reference:
http://flyinmiata.com/projects/insta...s/IMG_8770.jpg

And yes, I like my mean, blasphemous N/A power. I might go turbo someday but that header is awesome.

You and the other ITB dudes might buy it.. but not those interested in my definition of serious performance. ;)

people interested in performance dont build NA 4 bangers

well yeah I understand that most of their power adder stuff is centered around turbos, but they make an N/A catback and sell racing beat headers. Its just the only pulse linked header I've ever seen for a miata.

ignorance.

I guess I'm fighting an uphill battle with that argument on this forum though. :E

yep, so leave.

A sub $2k investment can net you 80-100 hp reliably. N/Asp just doesn't offer the same gains.

I'm not trying to argue which is better. Its simply ignorant though to say that there's no such thing as a performance N/A four-banger. Sheesh. don't be a dick.

Then with all your wisdom, build a N/A Miata and prove us all wrong.

+1 get to it noob

That would be a nice piece.
Everybody likes nicely made exhaust parts.
I believe this was over stock. I'd love to see the dyno of how and where the power comes in.
I do agree with you and you know that this is miataturbo, so don't be surprised with the n/a vs. turbo, one is better than the other, argument.

Don't come on this forum and try and argue that point. You're lucky you aren't ridiculed for ITBs after every single post you make.

Take some advice: Quit while you're still here.

Well i decided to go all motor but my reasoning is obviously not for power. Having the last two cars that I owned being turbo'd, (FD3S and 95 Rpkg FM turbo'd miata) ill always be a turbo guy at heart and as an NA guy now, I will always openly admit that going turbo is just the best route to go. However as im getting older, ive learned to control my boost addiction. As my miata is my only dd, and having a round trip of almost 100 miles a day to and from work, the simpler the better for me. The less variables to go wrong is what I need now. In time, ill get another miata, build the motor, and boost the hell out of it :)

And header will kill any power on a stock motor. Keith Tanner put some 11.0.1 compression pistons, and a fully valve trained upgraded, ported 99 head on that car to get those gains. So while its a nice header, it would be a waste for them to mass produce it IMO because I doubt theres that many folks with a fully built N/A miata ;)

I don't understand how this would kill power on any motor with a lower compression ratio than 11:1 It looks like its pulse linked, which just relieves pressure in the exhaust really well. How that would kill power in a stock motor is a mystery to me.

Well, maybe on the stock ecu I could see problems arising, but I have a standalone. Damn.

N/A produces modest numbers, but the fuji racing miata in its earlier days ran a 13.9 quarter mile with only a set of itbs, a standalone, a stock block and a 99 head. Now its got those same 11:1 pistons, cams and the whole nine yards and it has a dynoed 171whp. With that 171whp it holds a track record at VIR patriot, and routinely beats 400hp evos.

Not to say turbos aren't awesome though, I bet if he had put 10:1 pistons in it and turboed and plenum'ed his ITB's and boosted 8-12psi, it would be the quickest 250hp ever. I personally just started with a miata that already had 160k miles on it, and while it ran great, I didn't feel good about turboing. So some used ITB's came along, and while its probably not as fast right now as a turboed one, boy is it loud and awesome. :D

Edit: changed "the track record at VIR" to "a track record" obviously there's more than one. I believe jimmy said it holds the street tire class record or RWD street tires.

so........ loud, obnoxious, and ultimately useless. please take that crap back to cr.net.

kthxbye.

Ban!

um, no. I still rock a stock exhaust with no cat, its totally quiet at idle and cruising around town. It just sounds awesome when I crack the throttle; the sound is all engine. Seriously you guys are dicks. I keep saying that yes, turbos are fast, there's nothing wrong with turbos. I'm not bashing turbos or saying that my plans will produce more numbers. In fact, I wouldn't be saying anything about this at all if I hadn't been called out (for no reason other than UH THIS ISNT ABOUT TURBOS BAN) as soon as I started this thread. This thread was simply intended to perhaps get someone from FM's attention about what I was saying eventually without bothering them and perhaps merit a response.

lol, your just an idiot for trying to argue anything about NA here.

i still dont get the point of having ITB's on a stock engine either.

I like fried chicken.

oh boy, I know. I never wanted to say anything about it to begin with, but I'm definitely not going to say anything else about it. I will respond to your statements about ITB's, though.

Few people really understand the merits of ITB's, I think. You really need to drive an ITB'd car. I didn't really get what they were all about when I bought them, but the guy I bought them from got 140+whp on a stock motor with an exhaust. I decided to get them because:
- good price
- added HP without putting boost stress on my engine
- making the engine more efficient
- sounds awesome
- kickass throttle response
- not nessecarily only an N/A upgrade, its turbo-able

I went ahead and installed them when I finished my megasquirt, and I have a ton of fun with them. Nothing to complain about at all except the accel cable spring on them is mega stiff so nobody else can drive my car without stalling it a couple of times first.

When my high mileage engine finally pops, I'm either going to go high compression, or turbo the ITB's, I haven't decided.

And....lock. Hope you enjoyed your thread/stay. Bye

1. I own an ITB car, i know exactly how they feel, but it's not a 4 banger.
2. good price? that's a joke right? 1500 = +10 hp your kidding me!
3. sounds awesome = that's a retarded reason to mod your car, if that's the case go buy underglow kits, or fake BOV speakers or something
4. kickass throttle response = throttle response is very iffy question. how much throttle response you get from an ITB is very questionable. getting ITB's is like cutting the throttle cable shorter.

+1

this thread is now about fried chicken

hahaha, how cute, its like you think you're a mod :giggle:

ugh. don't need to tell me twice. I'll go back to my usual routine of occasionally posting in the megasquirt forum.

I don't see how men who drive naturally aspirated miatas take themselves seriously, come on.

-$1000 for 10whp is fucking gay
-wtf are you talking about?
-FI is substantially more efficient
-whoosh, phew, pop pop pop
-lighting the tires up in 3rd gear > throttle response that's as good as stock
-hey, you got one right


go back to your power-gay *******, ultra queer scat party forum. We're too busy getting laid constantly to give a shit about your life.

It came with sensors that I would need for a MS anyway, and an alternator. Not to mention the kit comes with a beefy dual-feed fuel rail and a really nice FPR. Its about the same cost/power ratio for a reworked head, and similarly shows even more results when you do other stuff to the car.
who told you about our parties?

ITBs is like sucking off a she-male and telling your friends "no guys, its cool. she's a chick"

you would be better off getting a port and polish on the head. At least that way you could benefit from better spool and top end when you finally realize that a turbo is the way to go and anything that will not compliment a turbo install is a waste of your money.

lolololol

And waffle fries!

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :eek5:

if you don't think ITB's would compliment a turbo setup,you're an idiot.

Edit: words that are underlined added for clarity

define: oxymoron

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ox·y·mo·ron (ŏk'sē-môr'ŏn', -mōr'-) n. pl. ox·y·mo·ra (-môr'ə, -mōr'ə) or ox·y·mo·rons
A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in a deafening silence and a mournful optimist.

What I said, assuming you believe me to be an idiot, is not an oxymoron. Learn English.

why would you think i am an idiot? Anyway, this is a turbo miata forum, and I honestly feel that doing NA mods like IRTB are a complete waste of money. They do look kinda cool and stuff but a miata wakes up from its sleep at around 200 hp and you pretty much cannot get there NA

because you didn't read the rest of the thread. Apart from being done several times, it was also outlined in this thread that ITB's can have a plenum made around them and turboed. This is also a substantial upgrade from stock intake flow.

you are right man, ITB's most likely would be beneficial to a turbo setup. Go ahead and do whatever you want man, i could not care any less.

You MT guys get worked up and butt-hurt waaay too fast. Steve, they take that first sentence as like you killing their entire family. There is no arguing, just let it be.

alright, calm down mates, its alright.
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I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Also, bryantaylor, :love:

If anyone from FM has trudged through the thousand miles of shit that is this thread, you should make that header, its awesome. kthx. :D

you probably need that dual feed rail for the massive 230cc injectors.


On a serious note, if you drive a naturally aspirated miata, you have no penis. Now go away, nobody wants you here. miataturbo =! miatanaturallyaspirated.

so hustler is just starting to grow a penis?

its very small, but its there.

I thought most car forums only cared about you if you didn't have a penis and had those chesticle things instead?

this is a miata forum.

Hey you internet fag, I take my n/a miata seriously. I am faster than lots of cars if they have inferior drivers and the track benefits me!
Man I hope I get more than 10whp with megasquirt. :giggle:
Hustler knows all things scat .
I lol'd.
not for less than $15K if you go n/a.

Oh, that explains my amorphous genitalia.

You may be a Ken doll, but you're my ken doll. You're car touches my peen hole.


Eventually you and gary will both have FI on your track cars. Then, together, we'll rule the world.

It is cute isnt it:fawk: :giggle: i like to wave my imaginary ban stick on here. Its fun

Rotarys ftw!.......

die in a fire

16X FTW! if that damn thing ever comes out!

LOL, this is why this is the only forum I will ever sponsor. That header showed gains because its probably the only one that has ever been used on a motor that actaully was prepared for N/A. If you are running a weak stock cam that has negative 720 degrees of overlap you can put the best header in the world on there and its not going to make any difference. Unfortunately most guys that go N/A wouldn't deal with a car that won't idle below 1500, and the ones that would deal with it run a T-60.

** On a side note I have several tuning books here that say if your not running 230*@.050 or better on both cams don't bother with a performance header.