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JustinHoMi 12-16-2008 07:40 PM

searching doesn't work well
 
I've noticed an issue with the way the searching is setup.

If I search (subject titles only) for something like "oxygen sensor", I get 7 pages of results with only the word "sensor" in the title. I would rather NO results show up then get a bunch of threads discussing other types of sensors.

Is there a way to do boolean searches? Like "oxygen AND sensor"? Or is this an option in the admin console?

I rarely use the miataturbo forums b/c of this issue... and I'm sure I'm not the only one. The searching on miata.net works much better. You're both using VB, so I'm sure it can be fixed.

mazda/nissan 12-16-2008 08:50 PM

I think the problem is that the search tool is setup to look at most recent rather than relevancy first, I always have to go to the advanced search to search and get back anything related

JustinHoMi 12-16-2008 10:51 PM

I actually am using the advanced search! But you're right, the standard search tool returns way too much stuff... mainly because it searches post content, not title.

skidude 12-16-2008 11:22 PM

I always thought I just sucked at searching here!

For the amount of harassment we get for not using the search feature, you'd think the search would work really well.

gompers 12-22-2008 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by JustinHoMi (Post 342352)
I've noticed an issue with the way the searching is setup.

If I search (subject titles only) for something like "oxygen sensor", I get 7 pages of results with only the word "sensor" in the title. I would rather NO results show up then get a bunch of threads discussing other types of sensors.

Is there a way to do boolean searches? Like "oxygen AND sensor"? Or is this an option in the admin console?

I rarely use the miataturbo forums b/c of this issue... and I'm sure I'm not the only one. The searching on miata.net works much better. You're both using VB, so I'm sure it can be fixed.


Originally Posted by skidude108 (Post 342425)
I always thought I just sucked at searching here!

For the amount of harassment we get for not using the search feature, you'd think the search would work really well.

use search button plz
kthx

skidude 12-22-2008 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by gompers (Post 344472)
use search button plz
kthx

Not Helpful.

cueball1 12-23-2008 01:52 PM

Here's some help for those having search trouble.

In Advanced Search. Under search options the default is sort by last posting date. Change to sort by RELEVANCY.

If that doesn't get what you want you can also change from search entire post to search titles under the Keyword section.

Problem solved.

If you want you can whine to the mods and ask them to reset the search default to relevancy instead of most recent. Maybe start a poll about what members would prefer if you want some backup for your position. Do any of the above at your own peril! he he he ...

gospeed81 12-23-2008 01:58 PM

learn something every day...

cueball1 12-23-2008 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by gospeed81 (Post 344810)
learn something every day...


It's amazing but you really can if you pay attention! I didn't know any of this until I read this thread. Took all of 1 minute to find those options to clean up the search. Thought I'd help out.

JustinHoMi 12-23-2008 02:31 PM

That actually doesn't help much. If you use relevancy to search for "oxygen sensor", only 4 of the top 25 hits have anything to do with O2 sensors.

Proper boolean searching is what this forum needs. Right now it treats the search like "oxygen OR sensor" but we need "oxygen AND sensor".

I admin a VB 3.6 forum, and the default behavior for searching is a boolean AND. If I searched for "oxygen sensor" on my forum, it would ONLY return results with "oxygen sensor" in them. I don't know whether VB 3.7 behaves differently by default, or if one of the admins just screwed up the preferences... but it's not configured ideally.

It surprises me that no admin or moderator has chimed in!

cueball1 12-23-2008 06:37 PM

It's more like 10 of the 25 but you are right. You don't get as exact as you are looking for. It'll take an insider (re: MOD) to give you the bright and shiny answer.

JustinHoMi 01-09-2009 05:27 PM

Admins? Moderator? Hello? This shouldn't be hard to fix....

JayL 01-09-2009 07:18 PM

I searched for the answer but all I found was a bunch of other posts telling people to search.

skidude 01-09-2009 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by JayL (Post 351373)
I searched for the answer but all I found was a bunch of other posts telling people to search.

That is about all I ever find. Every once in a while somebody will answer a question, but it's usually just "search noob!"

clay 01-14-2009 03:41 PM

I've noticed the same thing on a few other forums as well. You used to be able to search some of them using boolean, but it seems like a thing of the past. I even tried putting two words in quotes, but of course that doesn't work either. Thankfully boolean and quotes still work on Google. If that ever changes, it will really suck. So now I try and think of the least common word I can to get fewer (more relevant) results.

A recent example of mine was a search for "T25 clocking". Returns 17 pages of ebay for sale adds with T25 in the subject. Of course filtering by forum helps, but still!

JustinHoMi 01-14-2009 08:27 PM

It's not just the lack of boolean searching... miataturbo.net's settings are screwed up. The default installation of VB uses a boolean AND for search queries. Mt.net uses a boolean OR. Either that or something's changed between VB 3.6 and 3.7.

miatamania 01-14-2009 10:52 PM

huh.

Posted in the front desk with something useful...usually people get banned or locked or answered...but something useful...and nothing. hmmph.

kotomile 01-14-2009 10:59 PM

In the meanwhile, we can all do our part by making thread titles more searchable. For instance, instead of naming a thread "OMGZ halp dudez!!" something like "my clutch just exploded" is more descriptive.


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