View Poll Results: Which path?
Low mileage 1.8L and take time to boost it
16
66.67%
Already boosted 1.6L and fix any mistakes
1
4.17%
Cheap-o 1.6 and go at it...
7
29.17%
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NA Miata questions, also anyone look at this Miata
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NA Miata questions, also anyone look at this Miata
Hello,
As stated before, I am in the market for an NA Miata, that will ultimately be boosted.
However, I am having issues finding the "right" car, and wanted some of your opinions on which of the following paths makes more sense to follow:
What do you guys think?
Lastly, there is a Miata I found on CL for sale, but its not local. According to the seller, he bought it turboed from the PO. He claims to not know much about turbos and/or cars in general. I have talked to him through email, and the car needs some definate TLC, but I noticed no major rust (there is some on the trunk lid, but whatever, that's easy).
I have attached a few pictures because I cannot for the life of me figure out what turbo components he used, and was hoping some more Miata-knowledgable people could point some things out...what do you think? It looks like a DIY IC setup, knock-off Blitz BOV, but I can't really tell what's up with the manifold...
As stated before, I am in the market for an NA Miata, that will ultimately be boosted.
However, I am having issues finding the "right" car, and wanted some of your opinions on which of the following paths makes more sense to follow:
- Buy a more expensive, lower mileage 1.8L, take a bit of time before I can boost it/afford to boost it
- Buy an already boosted 1.6L and fix anything the previous owner f'ed up
- Buy a cheap 1.6L and boost it right off the bat
What do you guys think?
Lastly, there is a Miata I found on CL for sale, but its not local. According to the seller, he bought it turboed from the PO. He claims to not know much about turbos and/or cars in general. I have talked to him through email, and the car needs some definate TLC, but I noticed no major rust (there is some on the trunk lid, but whatever, that's easy).
I have attached a few pictures because I cannot for the life of me figure out what turbo components he used, and was hoping some more Miata-knowledgable people could point some things out...what do you think? It looks like a DIY IC setup, knock-off Blitz BOV, but I can't really tell what's up with the manifold...
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Consider the two options above my picks, depending on what you want. Mileage is not ultimately a deciding factor, but you need to decide if you want a good looking miata or a track ****. More often then not, there is too many skeletons in the closet. I would look for a good bodied 1.8 OBD-I (94/95) or if its a track ****, any 1.6 with boost will do. Keep in mind, the 1.8 brakes and rear will need to be swapped into your 1.6. I would NOT buy a previously boosted car.
Edit: The car above sounds like a crudely put together hunk of ****.
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yeah, that car sounds like a shitbox.
Go with whatever is cheaper after the torsen swap, the 1.8 or 1.6. The 1.8 has better brakes and TPS. The rest comes out in a wash.
If I could do it all over again, I'd stay with the 1.6 because the swap has turned into a bit of a headache.
Go with whatever is cheaper after the torsen swap, the 1.8 or 1.6. The 1.8 has better brakes and TPS. The rest comes out in a wash.
If I could do it all over again, I'd stay with the 1.6 because the swap has turned into a bit of a headache.
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Mileage is not ultimately a deciding factor, but you need to decide if you want a good looking miata or a track ****. More often then not, there is too many skeletons in the closet. I would look for a good bodied 1.8 OBD-I (94/95) or if its a track ****, any 1.6 with boost will do. Keep in mind, the 1.8 brakes and rear will need to be swapped into your 1.6. I would NOT buy a previously boosted car.
Edit: The car above sounds like a crudely put together hunk of ****.
Edit: The car above sounds like a crudely put together hunk of ****.
Thanks for the opinions. Originally, I had it nailed down that I wanted a 94/95 (as I do want OBD-I), but I keep only finding 1.6's for sale. I do know about swapping the later brakes and rear over to a 1.6, and have counted that in my budget.
yeah, that car sounds like a shitbox.
Go with whatever is cheaper after the torsen swap, the 1.8 or 1.6. The 1.8 has better brakes and TPS. The rest comes out in a wash.
If I could do it all over again, I'd stay with the 1.6 because the swap has turned into a bit of a headache.
Go with whatever is cheaper after the torsen swap, the 1.8 or 1.6. The 1.8 has better brakes and TPS. The rest comes out in a wash.
If I could do it all over again, I'd stay with the 1.6 because the swap has turned into a bit of a headache.
I do agree that the one shown looks like a shitbox...good call. No more thoughts on that car, lol.
Thanks so far guys!
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Pass on that car. I see a poorly thought out DIY kit. First big warning sign is hose-clamps and a plastic VTA BOV. I also see a Vortech'ish FMU but it looks chrome and I've never seen that. I can't tell what manifold or turbo is on it, but doesn't appear to sit high enough to be a Greddy. I also see some sort of sensor mounted in the TB inlet pipe (might be an IAT sensor) and it appears he's JBWelded the IAC hose to the silicone coupler somehow. In any case, it's not worth it.
What you want to do IMHO, is look for a decently maintained 94-95 with a few (other-than-turbo) mods already done to it... like some shocks/sways/wheels/rollbar/exhaust and buy that. Make sure it's in good mechanical shape and perform a full round of preventative maintenance or whatever it needs and ensure the motor is healthy. Full fluid change, motor-mounts, fuel filter, clutch, etc...
Continue to do homework on this forum and purchase used pieces as they pop up. Start out with a low-boost (6psi) setup using the stock injectors and fuel pump. Forego the Bipes and O2clamp that used to be bandaid tools-of-the-trade and instead save up for an MS. I say this to keep you from hacking the factory harness. When you've got it all nailed down and all the hardware is perfect... save for MS/550's/LC1.
Call this guy and talk him down to $5k: http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/718982610.html
What you want to do IMHO, is look for a decently maintained 94-95 with a few (other-than-turbo) mods already done to it... like some shocks/sways/wheels/rollbar/exhaust and buy that. Make sure it's in good mechanical shape and perform a full round of preventative maintenance or whatever it needs and ensure the motor is healthy. Full fluid change, motor-mounts, fuel filter, clutch, etc...
Continue to do homework on this forum and purchase used pieces as they pop up. Start out with a low-boost (6psi) setup using the stock injectors and fuel pump. Forego the Bipes and O2clamp that used to be bandaid tools-of-the-trade and instead save up for an MS. I say this to keep you from hacking the factory harness. When you've got it all nailed down and all the hardware is perfect... save for MS/550's/LC1.
Call this guy and talk him down to $5k: http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/718982610.html
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What you want to do IMHO, is look for a decently maintained 94-95 with a few (other-than-turbo) mods already done to it... like some shocks/sways/wheels/rollbar/exhaust and buy that. Make sure it's in good mechanical shape and perform a full round of preventative maintenance or whatever it needs and ensure the motor is healthy. Full fluid change, motor-mounts, fuel filter, clutch, etc...
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Thanks for all the suggestions so far guys.
I do plan on doing a routine sweep and PM of the car when I get it, no matter which route is taken.
A Megasquirt will be done when going turbo, I did piggybacks on my last car and it was a PITA. I want something with real control.
I've contacted the lady with the black R in the link, but I don't think she's dropping that far. I've been trying though, but I would like an OBD-I car, so...
There is a semi-local 1.6L I found dirt, dirt cheap, that is in good shape beside mileage, tried calling them too but no luck yet.
I do plan on doing a routine sweep and PM of the car when I get it, no matter which route is taken.
A Megasquirt will be done when going turbo, I did piggybacks on my last car and it was a PITA. I want something with real control.
I've contacted the lady with the black R in the link, but I don't think she's dropping that far. I've been trying though, but I would like an OBD-I car, so...
There is a semi-local 1.6L I found dirt, dirt cheap, that is in good shape beside mileage, tried calling them too but no luck yet.
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I did option A, but originally I never intended to turbo charge the car. I just wanted to spend more and be sure that I was getting a car that was taken care of and wasnt going to break down. Then after a while I wanted more power and starting with a car I knew was sound was pretty reassuring.
Newbsauses comments about buying used turbocharged cars makes me nervous when it comes time for me to sell mine though.
Newbsauses comments about buying used turbocharged cars makes me nervous when it comes time for me to sell mine though.
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Sounds like you are taking the right precautions, that's half the battel when buying your next toy car, it shows you've been around, so welcome to the Miata world. I have a 94 and love the fact that it is OBDI and here in NC we only do safety inspections on those. So MS full standalone for the win. I am biased though, there are lots of happy 1.6 car owners, but I prefere the 1.8 so I don't have to swap the rear and the brakes and just call it a day.
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I did option A, but originally I never intended to turbo charge the car. I just wanted to spend more and be sure that I was getting a car that was taken care of and wasnt going to break down. Then after a while I wanted more power and starting with a car I knew was sound was pretty reassuring.
Newbsauses comments about buying used turbocharged cars makes me nervous when it comes time for me to sell mine though.
Newbsauses comments about buying used turbocharged cars makes me nervous when it comes time for me to sell mine though.
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I'd buy a turbo car from a competent seller. Unfortunately the people who sell turbo miatas at this point are usually the owners who bought the car from the original person who did all the work. These people generally do not know **** about the car, drive it until something breaks (or is damn near about to), then sell it. Classic case: There is a black turbo miata that has been floating around the MA/CT area craigslist for the last 3 months. Someone bought it from the turbo'er.. drove it.. sold it without disclosing to the new buyer of a huge oil issue, and now its back on CL w/ an "oil issue".
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Keep looking Brad, you'll find the right car. I looked for a few weeks nationally before my '94 popped up on the local Craigslist. I paid $1500 for mine and its a California car with only 1 winter. The caveats were that it has a salvage title from an old accident and it needs some tlc (heater core leaking, radiator leaking, huge dent on drivers fender, cracked turn signal lenses, misc scratches and dings, and very blad tires on the stock wheels). Its runs fantastic and the price was right so I snapped it up:
I bypassed the core, put a radiator barn radiator in, added some new smoked signal lenses, and threw an extra set of wheels with good tires on so its good to go for daily use now.
I bypassed the core, put a radiator barn radiator in, added some new smoked signal lenses, and threw an extra set of wheels with good tires on so its good to go for daily use now.
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*thread hijack* What wheels are those?
To the OP: that car's bad juju. The BOV is on the hot side of the turbo so the pressure has to build up all the way from the throttle body, through the IC and through the pipe to the BOV. It'll more than likely cause your turbo to surge at that point.
Also, Galvanized heatshield FTMFW!
To the OP: that car's bad juju. The BOV is on the hot side of the turbo so the pressure has to build up all the way from the throttle body, through the IC and through the pipe to the BOV. It'll more than likely cause your turbo to surge at that point.
Also, Galvanized heatshield FTMFW!