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Dunning Kruger Affect 09-03-2014 01:30 PM

I can make my own thread... but what is a good resource for rewiring a car? I'd like to remove as much cruft as possible from mine, but I haven't been able to find any excellent resources specifically for rewiring a Miata.

Devious looks amazing~~

hornetball 09-03-2014 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1163560)
My Rotrex had a BOV in front of the throttle body for the same reason a turbo has a BOV in front of the throttle body. Its the back of the manifold that has me screwed up.

The Rotrex does its best work in the upper RPM range, so spinning the hell out of it is actually beneficial provided you are under the -74's 120,000 RPM redline. The problem is that you may actually be moving more air that you want/need. You don't want to compromise things with a restrictor at the compressor, so bleeding off the air (like a wastegate bleeds off exhaust) makes some sense. You still have flat boost response at WOT and you keep the blower in its efficiency range without blowing things up.

So I'm guessing its some sort of epic boost control. It's been discussed in the past, but I've not seen it implemented. I bet it'd be loud as shit.

I'm probably totally wrong though :giggle:

So, with a Rotrex SC, the BOV is used more or less continuously at high RPM (like a wastegate) to keep a target boost? Interesting.

Are we threadjacking?

EO2K 09-03-2014 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1163564)
So, with a Rotrex SC, the BOV is used more or less continuously at high RPM (like a wastegate) to keep a target boost? Interesting.

BOV is a BOV, I'm guessing its down in the piping somewhere under the fender in the IC plumbing where we can't see it. Snap the throttle shut at 6k and all that air has to go somewhere.

I'm speculating that's what they are doing with the wastegate, its the only thing my brain can come up with. I can pretty much guarantee you that's not a production thing.


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1163564)
Are we threadjacking?

Eh, he pointed it out and didn't explain it so I feel justified :giggle:

emilio700 09-03-2014 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1163560)
So I'm guessing its some sort of epic boost control. It's been discussed in the past, but I've not seen it implemented. I bet it'd be loud as shit.

:party:

WG controlled by the MS3Pro. Car still has the standard recirc valve that comes with the production CARB kit. WG is there to bleed off excess boost at part throttle or at WOT when running pump gas. It's geared for max boost so probably 16-19psi. Too much for pump gas so we'll bleed off to about 10psi to keep power down. On E85, the WG stays shut.

Trackdayhookey runs something similar on Mega only it has a BOV instead of a recirc. He has a C38-94 on a basically stock longblock (rods/pistons/bearings) and it wants to make 450whp on race gas. Can't put that down on track so he detunes to something like 380whp IIRC.

cjsafski 09-03-2014 02:07 PM

I can't wait to hear the sound of this thing in full tilt.

EO2K 09-03-2014 02:17 PM

Wooo! Does that mean I won a ride? :naughty:

Originally Posted by cjsafski (Post 1163575)
I can't wait to hear the sound of this thing in full tilt.

Seriously. No E85 at Laguna so I can only imagine it'll be a bit... boisterous.

hornetball 09-03-2014 02:22 PM

OK, with you guys now. Missed the term "wastegate." I'm so used to wastegates on exhaust manifolds/turbine housings. LOL.

emilio700 09-03-2014 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1163581)
Wooo! Does that mean I won a ride? :naughty:

Seriously. No E85 at Laguna so I can only imagine it'll be a bit... boisterous.

That would be why we're bringing a 55g drum of E85, 30g caddy and about 4 full 5g jugs.

concealer404 09-03-2014 03:06 PM

I'm curious... what exactly does that wastegate sound like when opened? I can only imagine that this car sounds like Satan himself.

18psi 09-03-2014 03:08 PM

I'm guessing a giant vacuum cleaner.

But I can't wait to find out this weekend :party:

cjsafski 09-03-2014 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1163591)
That would be why we're bringing a 55g drum of E85, 30g caddy and about 4 full 5g jugs.

That should last a session or two :party:

emilio700 09-03-2014 05:22 PM

Another Rotrex build from SuperMiata

https://www.miataturbo.net/general-m...0/#post1163642

hornetball 09-03-2014 06:00 PM

"Mental" "Deviate"

:rofl:

emilio700 09-21-2014 11:37 PM

300whp, no aero. Bit of a handful!


hornetball 09-21-2014 11:46 PM

Great vid.

There comes a point where you need a cage.

emilio700 09-22-2014 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1169123)
Great vid.

There comes a point where you need a cage.

Yup. This car is well past that. Read the notes on the YT page. Car was built to show what the hardware is capable of. Reality is most people who want a 300whp Miata have little interest in silly things like oil coolers, big brakes and safety equipment. Deviate is about as well prepped as an HPDE car can get before it gets caged though. FIA seat with .250" thick plates attached to floor reinforcements, 5 pt FIA harness, full driving suit and HNRS. Leagues better than most fast HPDE cars I see.

Just the same, this power setup will be pulled from this car for another project and it'll go back to being N/A in a few months.

hornetball 09-23-2014 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1169146)
Reality is most people who want a 300whp Miata have little interest in silly things like oil coolers, big brakes and safety equipment.

:rofl:


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1169146)
Just the same, this power setup will be pulled from this car for another project and it'll go back to being N/A in a few months.

The fact that it's so easy to go back and forth is a nice testament for the kit.

Now for the threadjack . . . as you know I lost my intake valves at Hallett. On teardown, the valve faces were found to be worn to the point that there was no lash. This was on a valves that were reground in July, so not that much time on them. Could a mechanical overrev cause this? Or maybe overrevs got the wear started and then the lack of good contact to the head overheated the valves?

emilio700 09-23-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1169562)
:rofl:



The fact that it's so easy to go back and forth is a nice testament for the kit.

Now for the threadjack . . . as you know I lost my intake valves at Hallett. On teardown, the valve faces were found to be worn to the point that there was no lash. This was on a valves that were reground in July, so not that much time on them. Could a mechanical overrev cause this? Or maybe overrevs got the wear started and then the lack of good contact to the head overheated the valves?

Excellent question. New thread. Post linky here.

hornetball 12-01-2014 12:48 PM

I got back from a month of business travel and took Honey Badger out to the track. Did 5 30-minute sessions and pretty much passed everything (https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...0/). What a great combination. I'm really enjoying it. Just wanted to say thanks.

That is all.

emilio700 12-01-2014 02:34 PM

Very cool. These builds have such good intrinsic balance. Balance between power, brakes, predictability, responsiveness, grip, reliability, comfort. Always makes me happy to see someone enjoying it all weekend long with little more than a quick fluid level check once or twice a day.


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