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1fastmiata 01-08-2008 06:19 PM

Best set up?
 
Hey everyone, im always looking to squeek out an extra second on the track so im looking for insight....

my suspension is pretty dialed konig 8way adjustables 1.25" sway bars lowered about 1.5". i have lightweight rims and hoosier slicks. LSD

FM turbo @18psi, FM heat shield, 800cc injectors, air ducting through the mouth, raised hood, blinker vents, exturnal BOV, removed cat test pipe, LINK ecu(changin to megasquirt), 8lbs flywheel, stage 2 clutch, camber set 2clicks and 2 click toe out in the front and 3clicks rear camber.

big brake kit in the front 11.5" cross drilled willwood rotors still stock in the rear(hella breaking! www.hyedracyl.com <---cheap big break kits!!!), brake proportioning valve, pretty much gutted interior, removed a/c, o-ringed the head, polished the head.

hella light kit, nice dual lights, sleepy. body accent kit(nothing major), rollbar, 5 pt harnesses


I have a 1.6L... My turbo falls off... looking for a manifold that is like the 1.8Ls... anyone know of one?
next on the list.. godspeed rad, fans(any suggestions... ive had slimfans as a suggestion, but what cfm should i look for?) and coolant reroute

Braineack 01-08-2008 06:23 PM

your last paragraph makes no sense. elaborate.....

I'll look for fans that pull something like 1600CFM each.

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 06:25 PM

the part about turbo falling off?

paul 01-08-2008 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by 1fastmiata (Post 196032)
Hey everyone, im always looking to squeek out an extra second on the track so im looking for insight....

my suspension is pretty dialed konig 8way adjustables 1.25" sway bars lowered about 1.5". i have lightweight rims and hoosier slicks. LSD

FM turbo @18psi, FM heat shield, 800cc injectors, air ducting through the mouth, raised hood, blinker vents, exturnal BOV, removed cat test pipe, LINK ecu(changin to megasquirt), 8lbs flywheel, stage 2 clutch, camber set 2clicks and 2 click toe out in the front and 3clicks rear camber.

big brake kit in the front 11.5" cross drilled willwood rotors still stock in the rear(hella breaking! www.hyedracyl.com <---cheap big break kits!!!), brake proportioning valve, pretty much gutted interior, removed a/c, o-ringed the head, polished the head.

hella light kit, nice dual lights, sleepy. body accent kit(nothing major), rollbar, 5 pt harnesses


I have a 1.6L... My turbo falls off... looking for a manifold that is like the 1.8Ls... anyone know of one?
next on the list.. godspeed rad, fans(any suggestions... ive had slimfans as a suggestion, but what cfm should i look for?) and coolant reroute

konig 8 way adjustables? you mean KYB-AGX? I'm unfamiliar with konig shocks. Giant sway bars and lowering car too much don't improve handling always.


oh, and i hate kyb-agx's. i wouldn't put em back on my car if they were free.

Braineack 01-08-2008 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by 1fastmiata (Post 196040)
the part about turbo falling off?

yes that part. and the difference between the 1.6L and 1.8L manifold you refer to.

Zabac 01-08-2008 06:33 PM

needs more pc-pro
other than that, i would address one issues at a time not to confeuse people...

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 06:36 PM

well the 1.6 litter is straight out, and the 1.8 has a curve downward to it... so ive seen anyways

mazda/nissan 01-08-2008 06:38 PM

yeah and they also aren't interchangable, different distances between the cylindars

Zabac 01-08-2008 06:39 PM

huh?
are you talking manifolds?
there are many different stylez out thur you know, you kan pik an chuuz
how about you post pics and dyno plots of your shit so we can get a better idea of your setup

paul 01-08-2008 06:40 PM

there are many different designs for both the 1.6 and 1.8. i'm sure you could find both those styles for either block size.

paul 01-08-2008 06:41 PM

hey mazda/nissan, did you edit your sig or is that Braineack having fun?

either way i got a chuckle out of it

Loki047 01-08-2008 06:41 PM

sometimes i wish i could make shit like this up...

mazda/nissan 01-08-2008 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by paul (Post 196058)
hey mazda/nissan, did you edit your sig or is that Braineack having fun?

either way i got a chuckle out of it

i figured that i had screwed up badly enough that no one would ever let me live it down so i saved braineack the trouble :slap:

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 07:02 PM

paul, I would like to find a manifold like your cycling display pic

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by paul (Post 196041)
konig 8 way adjustables? you mean KYB-AGX? I'm unfamiliar with konig shocks. Giant sway bars and lowering car too much don't improve handling always.


oh, and i hate kyb-agx's. i wouldn't put em back on my car if they were free.

i find that it handles quite well on the track.... i didnt put the suspension in, my uncle put it in before i bought it from him.. all i know is they are konig, and they have a dial that has 8 different settings on it.

what do you recomend for a suspension system? i thought about a spec miata suspension... but i was told you can mix and match and make a better combonation that handles a lot better on the track

paul 01-08-2008 07:09 PM

~$600. it was custom made for my car by Tim at Shore Motorsports. PM him if still interested, username is TurboTim. The setup with my 3" exhaust that Tim also made is fucking amazing! The car spooled like i had a T15 on there. We actually had to modify the turbo by hogging out the internal wastegate opening to reduce the boost it was building with no boost controller. I was seeing 17psi, 15 psi with the waste gate stuck open. We were able to reduce the boost to 12 and I bring it up to 14 with the boost controller. Here's a link to the dyno graph at 14psi max http://www.miatamx5.com/dynoruns/12-..._hp&tq_300.jpg and thats with just 1 morning of tuning on my way to the dyno place on the highway.

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 07:15 PM

nice! does the $600 include the rest of the exhaust and hog-out? or just the manifold? is your motor a 1.6 or 1.8?

Braineack 01-08-2008 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by 1fastmiata (Post 196077)
i find that it handles quite well on the track.... i didnt put the suspension in, my uncle put it in before i bought it from him.. all i know is they are konig, and they have a dial that has 8 different settings on it.

what do you recomend for a suspension system? i thought about a spec miata suspension... but i was told you can mix and match and make a better combonation that handles a lot better on the track


it's KYB. it's red with a black knob. They are very low-end shocks. Did you know what springs? You could probably benefit with talking to FatCatMotorsports.com. He can build you up something nice.

paul 01-08-2008 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by 1fastmiata (Post 196087)
nice! does the $600 include the rest of the exhaust and hog-out? or just the manifold? is your motor a 1.6 or 1.8?


thats just the mani. i have a 1.8. he is building the same manifold for BRGRacer I believe who has a 1.6

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 07:24 PM

red sway bars, white shocks with a red dial, and i believe they are Eibach springs

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by paul (Post 196094)
thats just the mani. i have a 1.8. he is building the same manifold for BRGRacer I believe who has a 1.6

My summer project was going to be buying a 1.8, bore .060 oversize, dif cams 10:1 pistons, lightweight cam shaft, port and polish the head, a mani like your display, and a few other little things... but it got to be that the price list was getting expensive... esp since im tryin to get my own appt and i just bought a brand new car... 17k cash and a 5k loan... so miata has taken a backseat prioirty unfort.

paul 01-08-2008 07:37 PM

sound like tokico illuminas

paul 01-08-2008 07:38 PM

dude, you better do some research. you don't want to go to 10:1 pistons with a turbo. you should go the other way. lower compression.

and whats this with a light weight cam? i have never heard of that. the diameter is so small i don't think the mass of the cam makes much difference.

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 07:41 PM

dumb question... how do you get a picture underneath you name..? i thought thats what i was doing but it ended up at the bottom of my posts

paul 01-08-2008 07:42 PM

you actually had one a few mins ago. anyway you pay. it's $3.50 to become a supporting member

this is the correct link https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/payments.php

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 07:43 PM

i made a mistake, not the cam shaft, the crank shaft ...lightweight crankshaft

Zabac 01-08-2008 08:01 PM

plus one on the tokicos...thats what i was thinking...
if you want to get faster on the trackand you already make lots of power i would say stay away from building another motor for nowcause a good suspension will be of bigger benefit to you...tokicos are not that great, they are on the cheap/low end
look into some Koni's (not konig) or some custom valved bilstein that come stock on some miatas...and then decide on your coilover set up, i sway towards the ground control perches and eibach springs that come with it...and then get your car corner weighted and your alignement set properly by someonethat knows what they are doing

Braineack 01-08-2008 08:06 PM

I'd compare the illuminums to the koni yellows.

it's not by any means a good race setup.


you need better dampening shocks with full suspension travel, increased spring rates, body stiffening, etc.

im telling ya, check out fatcatmotorsports.com, its a great place to start.

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 08:10 PM

whaaam, now that you mention koni, im pretty sure thats what they are, not konig. they are white coilovers with a red dial

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 08:11 PM

will do braineack!

Braineack 01-08-2008 08:12 PM

hmmm, where is the dial? snap a pic.


typically koni's are yellow. the white ones are race spec iirc.

1fastmiata 01-08-2008 08:16 PM

the dial is at the lower mount facing to the back of the car in the rear, i forget where the fronts are... i mostly adjust the rear... they have settings of 1-8

Zabac 01-08-2008 08:44 PM

koni's dont have numberes settings, its just a dial that you turn from stiffest to softest
and id say that koni's are far better than illuminas, at least durability wise

jayc72 01-08-2008 09:24 PM

KYB AGX. That's what you are describing.

paul 01-08-2008 10:25 PM

but then he said they were white which would rule out KYB-AGX.

jayc72 01-08-2008 10:33 PM

Pictures.

paul 01-08-2008 10:36 PM

maybe he got the racist versions

jayc72 01-08-2008 10:38 PM

Kkk-yb?

paul 01-08-2008 10:41 PM

hahaha. lets see who that offends

Zabac 01-08-2008 10:50 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOKIC...spagenameZWDVW
the tokico's have a knob on top, so they are out...
and so are the KYB's they adjust on top as well
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-K...spagenameZWDVW
i do remember seeing some white shocks that had the knob on the shock body, it may be an older version of the tokico's which is what the one i have seen were (as well as my memory serves me)

paul 01-08-2008 10:53 PM

the KYB GR2 isn't adjustable and they are silver, not white

Zabac 01-08-2008 10:57 PM

me sleepy...the bolt looked like a knob when i glanced at it

fourwhls 01-09-2008 08:00 AM

Koni race specs are the same yellow as Koni sports. You think for 2.5x the price, they could have made them another color. I feel used.

OP...Where are you trying to gain a second? 1/4 mile, autocross, or road course?

Zabac 01-09-2008 09:51 AM

im sure he means road course...

1fastmiata 01-10-2008 12:15 AM

i do slaloming (my setup basically cant be beat... i hold the record in my club beating a $300k Jaguar custom build 650rwhp v12), im trying to drop time on road courses

1fastmiata 01-13-2008 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by whaaamx5 (Post 196437)
im sure he means road course...

what type of front lip is this? looks badass!

1fastmiata 02-17-2008 03:42 AM

this is what my uncle said i have for suspension components... so you recomend dif shocks and springs?

The struts are KYB dual adjustable struts. Both compression anddecompression are adjustable. The sway bars and links are from RacingBeat, along with the springs. I don't believe I bought the race springs,but did buy the stiffest "street" use type springs available.

jayc72 02-17-2008 04:18 AM

AGX are NOT double adjustable. One adjuster changes both rebound and compression. For a guy who has a setup that can't be beat you don't know shit about your car.

1fastmiata 02-17-2008 10:58 AM

jay, i said rigt from the start that i didnt know my suspension components, i had never asked my uncle, it handles wonderfully on the track, its sticks like glue on the road, and my only complaints is that when i was behind a spec miata, i followed him around a turn and ended up drifting the corner because my miata couldnt take the turn that fast, i went up to him after the race (i mimicked his exact line because in my club there is no passing in turns) and we were running the same tires, but he was running a different suspension and a manual rack,

so I said from the beginning im looking for a BETTER setup, so that what i was asking, what does everyone feel the BEST suspension is, braineack mentioned fatcatmotors.com, and i went there and poked around, seems decent, there were other mentions too..


BTW i never said they were agx, that was people trying to figure out what they were, my uncle who bought them said they are KYB dual adjustable struts


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