Boost oscillation- on external gate!
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I have a TIAL external wastegate with a 15psi spring inside it.
The gate signal is plugged directly into my compressor housing port. My boost is oscillating between 6psi and 18psi. See attached plot: Attachment 241518 What do you think would cause this? |
Every car Ive tuned or ridden in with a TiAL had rock solid boost and no issues.
I would start checking your vacuum source/routing. It sounds (from the many times you keep finding new issues) like you really should take more time with and put more effort into routing everything properly and without leaks. |
Tell us about how you're using a large hose, so large that it will barely grip the barbs.
Are you using a boost controller? (I had this problem) Are you sure the turbo inlet and outlet are sealed-up tight? Are all couplers right? Did you install the spring or open it up? Are the plugs tight in the gate, and do you have one port open on the top of the gate? |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 658310)
I would start checking your vacuum source/routing.
Originally Posted by faeflora
(Post 658308)
The gate signal is plugged directly into my compressor housing port.
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are you positive the spring in there is for 15psi?
does the gate go to atmo or routed back in? |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 658313)
Tell us about how you're using a large hose, so large that it will barely grip the barbs.
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 658313)
Are you using a boost controller? (I had this problem)
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 658313)
Are you sure the turbo inlet and outlet are sealed-up tight?
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 658313)
Are all couplers right?
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 658313)
Did you install the spring or open it up?
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 658315)
are you positive the spring in there is 15psi?
http://www.tialmedia.com/documents/w3_tial_38_sp.pdf |
post a screenshot of the log showing the oscilation
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Originally Posted by faeflora
(Post 658316)
Yes I installed the spring and yes I opened it up.
Are you certain the spring is seated in the grooves? 've heard of people twisting the spring (it grips at the housing) and causing problems like this. You should take it apart and inspect the diaphragm. |
That is what I am thinking too. There's not much else to go wrong.
Unfortunately I think I will have to take off my turbo to do so. sigh |
Originally Posted by 18psi
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post a screenshot of the log showing the oscilation
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OK Here's a log when it was doing it's thing.
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hydra have an over boost? are you setup for spark cut only? I'd look into that...
the first dyno i posted was a car trying to run 14psi with a 12psi overboost. |
won't boost cut stop him from making a complete pull all the way past redline?
or are we talking about some sort of "soft cut" that will dumb down the boost without completely cock blocking him? |
not if you keep on throttle. try it on your MS...stay on it, youll just bounce on/off limiter.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 658512)
hydra have an over boost? are you setup for spark cut only? I'd look into that...
the first dyno i posted was a car trying to run 14psi with a 12psi overboost. That first dyno chart of yours really does look similar though. |
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My new license plate will be:
VOMTCMT I just went for a drive and my girlfriend datalogged. She was not impressed by my car's unconventional power delivery. Boosted part of log is attached. I am not hitting boost cut. So it is probably a stupid mechanical issue. |
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Update.
I figured out the problem. Attachment 241513 What's wrong with the circled item in this picture? Those of you who have worked with an external gate before should be able to figure it out. This really is worthy of much facepalm. If I had a sense of shame I would not post this. At least I was not the only one who missed this though. Yesterday all of http://www.amstuning.com/ and element tuning were staring at the thing and did not notice despite them installing hundreds of external gates. |
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