Epoxy for throttle plate screw?
Hi,
I keep reading about throttle plate screws coming loose. What type of epoxy are people using to secure the screw? Is it as simple as putting a dab over the head of the screw? Sorry if this seems like an obvious question, but it isn't something I want to get wrong!! :eek3: Cheers |
You *keep* hearing about it? How many times have you heard about it? I don't think I've heard about it for at least 2-3 years.
Just apply loctite red to the threads and be done with it. - Or don't remove the screws in the first place? |
see cordus' buid thread.
this is a real thing. not just hearsay |
Well I make assumptions, but it is playing on my mind. The guy on here with the chopped up compressor wheel, and another post today on the Adaptronic forum showing an MX-5 with ingestion damage.
Are you saying it's only a problem if the screw has been removed before? Thanks |
Why? So the epoxy can go through the engine too when the throttle shaft breaks and sticks the throttle wide open?
Shameless plug for actual solution to actual problem |
I'm not sure if I love this solution, but my throttle plate screws were staked... It looks like someone set the butterfly on a die of some kind and staked a crosshatch in the backside of the protruding screw.
At least I know they're not going to fall out... or be easily removed |
If you do epoxy it, make sure you prepare the surfaces correctly. At the bare minimum give everything a good wipe down with acetone or some other solvent that will flash off quickly.
Hysol e120hp is a good all purpose structural epoxy but you need to buy an applicator gun and mixing nozzles to use it. |
Why the hell would you use epoxy at all? As stated before, Loctite red is what is called for here. High strength threadlocker. Epoxy is a piss-poor substitute.
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I'd like one of you to explain how loctite does anything when the problem is this:
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I'd like to know how the throttle screw got into the compressor wheel?
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As Andrew is pointing out the epoxy doesn't keep the shaft from breaking. The skunk2 TB is the only true fix for BP's that see extended high rpm usage.
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Henry (Team DNR) JUST had his built F-Prod motor eat a screw from a BROKEN throttle shaft in Savannah. The screws backing out are not nearly as threatening of a problem as the shaft breaking, in my opinion.
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From what I remember reading, all the epoxy really does is change the natural resonant frequency to move it away from whatever rpm/vibration is causing the shaft to break.
I have not done any searching, but has there actually been a case of a screw coming loose, but the shaft staying intact? --Ferdi |
Originally Posted by Schuyler
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Henry (Team DNR) JUST had his built F-Prod motor eat a screw from a BROKEN throttle shaft in Savannah. The screws backing out are not nearly as threatening of a problem as the shaft breaking, in my opinion.
http://www.codrus.com/miata/turbine/tb1.jpg That screw chewed up the pistons, the head, and trashed the turbine. http://www.codrus.com/miata/turbine/turbine1.jpg --Ian |
Damn that sucks Ian. Are you now running the Skunk2 item?
If so does the increased opening make the throttle really sensitive? Out of interest I used to have a Jap import track car and it had a rubber damper fitted to the throttle body (OE), I wonder if this is relevant as the car had a slightly higher rev limit? |
My skunk2 tb didn't change my throttle response that I could tell.
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All the junk2 throttle body did for me was make the throttle touchier. I'm 100% only running one to prevent small bits from destroying $6500 worth of bits and things.
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I have a Skunk2 now, yes. I didn't notice any throttle touchiness when switching, though.
--Ian |
Originally Posted by Leafy
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All the junk2 throttle body did for me was make the throttle touchier. I'm 100% only running one to prevent small bits from destroying $6500 worth of bits and things.
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