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hustler 11-16-2007 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 175136)
Hustler-read. http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...tio/index.html

Using the 4% rule. Assuming you make 250whp with 9.0:1 ratio pistons.

9.0-8.6=0.4 This is the change in compression

.4 X 4%= .016 This is how much power will change.

1-.016= .984 This is your new power factor.

250whp X .984= 246whp with 8.6:1 compression. That's a 4WHP difference, which would be almost undetectable.

thanks, but I've stated countless times that I'm concerned with spool and not max output.

Braineack 11-16-2007 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 175134)
what turbine wheel do you have?

T3 stage I (journal) .48A/R. 58.xmm vs your 53.8mm turbine wheel and BBs.

patsmx5 11-16-2007 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 175137)
thanks, but I've stated countless times that I'm concerned with spool and not max output.

And they will be linear. If you increase power X%, your spool RPM will drop X%. Do you understand these are related? That's the whole point of me doing that math is to show you that 1.6% change in power or spool isn't gonna make a shit. Hence, you should have kept the pistons you had.

hustler 11-16-2007 04:06 PM

yeah, I'm kinda kicking myself in the ass right now. I still have the quandry of running 2618 or 4032 alloy...wiseco or supertech.

Braineack 11-16-2007 04:10 PM

i think you should buy a FM stroker built by them, with their FMII kit, installed by them and at full cost.

hustler 11-16-2007 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 175146)
i think you should buy a FM stroker built by them, with their FMII kit, installed by them and at full cost.

I agree.

patsmx5 11-16-2007 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 175146)
i think you should buy a FM stroker built by them, with their FMII kit, installed by them and at full cost.

+1

kingofl337 11-16-2007 04:12 PM

Maybe he should wait the 3 weeks get some nice custom 9.5:1's or 10:1's. Then his only trouble is the turbo he has may be a bit excessive. This may not effect spool but the car will be snappy off boost. You could also send out the head and get it ported. Between the two you would definitely have what you want.

+1 on the FM idea

patsmx5 11-16-2007 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 175147)
I agree.

Then to simplify things you should cut your losses and start saving up for the stroker kit from FM. If you still have aftermarket rods I'll give ya 100 for them.

hustler 11-16-2007 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 175152)
Then to simplify things you should cut your losses and start saving up for the stroker kit from FM. If you still have aftermarket rods I'll give ya 100 for them.

go ahead and paypal the cash to me.

patsmx5 11-16-2007 04:24 PM

What's your paypal? How much to ship them? What brand are they?

hustler 11-16-2007 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 175160)
What's your paypal? How much to ship them? What brand are they?

just send the money. $100. Hold on while I set up a "new" account.

SpyHunter 11-16-2007 04:27 PM

Not directly comparable, but my stock motored 94 (8.8-1) running a standard FMII (GT25) made 15 psi by 3100 rpm. 12 psi by 2900. I dropped from 3400 by spending some time on the dyno. Car has no cat, and a 3" exhaust. Compression ratio is a minor detail. Open exhaust and a good tune are much more important and make a much bigger impact on how the turbo will spool.

Any turbo car will feel like a dog off boost. Its because on boost is so much more fun. I can tell you that I RARELY experienced lag in my car. And that was usually a result of me being in the wrong gear.

Braineack 11-16-2007 04:31 PM

When I drove around with my wastegate wired open I thought the car was broke. I was actually scared to take it WOT cause it just wasn't right....even though I knew in my mind I just lost 250% of the power on purpose.

hustler 11-16-2007 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 175163)
When I drove around with my wastegate wired open I thought the car was broke. I was actually scared to take it WOT cause it just wasn't right....even though I knew in my mind I just lost 250% of the power on purpose.

I don't understand.

Ben 11-16-2007 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 175165)
I don't understand.

Yeah, we get that.

hustler 11-16-2007 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 175167)
Yeah, we get that.

the car was broken, so you still shifted at redline instead of taking care of it?

Braineack 11-16-2007 04:41 PM

wired open wastegate = 0psi = 90rwhp
non-wired wastegate = 13psi = 230rwhp

230/90 = 2.5 or 250% power loss.

hustler 11-16-2007 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 175169)
wired open wastegate = 0psi = 90rwhp
non-wired wastegate = 13psi = 230rwhp

230/90 = 2.5 or 250% power loss.

I don't understand the context. I understand that an open wastegate means no postive pressure. I'm reading into the comment too much apparently.

Braineack 11-16-2007 04:44 PM

yes. SpyHunter mentioned a turbo car being a dog off boost. i was saying without boost the car felt broked.


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