Is this Garret HKS kit with HKS Fcon S ECU worth me buying?
 

I DIDN'T BUY THIS , HOW ABOUT THE ONE BELOW IT>>>This Greddy TD04 kit (see photo) is offered for sale by a local in my area for $800 including the EMANAGE Blue (rev limiter?)

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This is the new package I am looking at

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Seller says its a HKS kit and was in his NA6 he says its a Pong Kit with FCon S , I know the HKS Fcon S , I had a HKS Fcon V in my Chaser but what is a POng kit?

Also will it all work in an NA6 and NA8 NB? Asking this since I'm not sure which I will end up buying ...either way my goal is 200-250 hp

Is this good compared to kits by other brands?

Go buy a Honda.

Miatas suck, turbo miatas suck, and all the people who own miatas suck, noob.

$800 including the ecu???? That's a steal!!! Get on that!

Nothing better than a E-manage when it comes to tuning EFI. :greddy:

is it? I think $500 for all that is more than generous.

let's go over exactly what you're buying:

1. a manifold that cracks.
2. a turbo that spools like shit and has no top end.
3. a stock DP
4. (2) intake pipes. (Stock accordion must be retained)
5. a stock AFM
6. a ugly huge shitty air filter.
7. a retarded oil drain hose.
9. a decent oil feed.
10. a shitty piggyback ECU.


I'd maybe push that to $650 valuing the ECU at $150.

That's generous.

After you buy it, you'll need to replace ALLOFIT except maybe the turbo, and that's assuming it's in very good condition.

So you will need to upgrade the downpipe, the manifold/turbo are okay, the EMB sucks and I would not even try to hook that up to my car.

I'd give him 500

it is different from other kits by other brands, but somewhat similar to some other kits by some other brands.
it fits some cars, made by some manufacturers.
it should definitely make some power, but no more or less power than that
you're welcome

honestly with Olderguy's autotune, it ain't THAT bad of a setup. It's fuss free for sure for a simple bolt on setup.

The above setup a 1-hour-to-boost setup. It just could use an FMU and something like a Bipes.

but what it is not is a good base for a 200-250hp goal. That's a sub-good sub-200rwhp setup.

Thanks for the awesome answers , the sarcasm is in good taste :rofl: as usual around here...

So what is a more ideal kit ? Japanese made since Im in Okinawa ...
also I have previously owned a Eunos Roadster 1.8 and miss it like hell I own a 1JZ-GTTE Chaser JZX90 and cant wait to go Roadster again!!!

All I want is the experience and knowledge mainly and pretty sure I will mess up since its my first turboing experience so in future I will do it properly and put the money in , as for now I need bang for the buck and a huge improvement in bottom end response , I read that the TD04 is good for that...

Which Jap kit is more ideal and has the least useless parts?
ECU wise I can hunt down any Japanese made used one

Again I need bang for the buck and bottom end improvement only , this wont be my ideal setup but a learning curve...

Manifolds are not interchangeable twx 1.6 and 1.8. The one you are being offered seems to be the stock Greddy 1.6 setup.

^This. That's an NA6 only setup. The only parts that are worth anything are the manifold (assume not cracked + make relief cuts) and turbo. Pretty much what Brain said.

Hi , I changed the original title as I wont be buying the Greddy kit , I found this recently

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It says its a HKS kit , cant tell what the Garret turbo is , all I can see is A/R 48 stamped on it also looks like a good air intake and I have some experience with a HKS Fcon V before in a Toyota Chaser ...
He wants $1000 or best offer for this... I was gonna offer $900

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$900. rofl wtf is wrong with you?


just save up a little and buy this: BEGI Shanghai-S Turbo System Miata

Comparable to GReddy kit , I am in Japan , I can get the Greddy kit used very cheap... I would change rubber parts and clean it up , no shaft play etc , problem is I don't know the turbo...T3?
+ Aren't the HKS Fcon S close to $500 alone?

Why is that a problem when it comes with a manifold?

IIRC they came with an old smaller Garrett T25 something or other.

Hahahaha, i won't even pay $500 for an FCON that i'm going to actually USE.

And i'd never ever ever use one on a Miata.

Depending on what exactly it is, i might pay up to $50 for it, though.

Sure. It's also $5500usd.

there's nothing cool about that.

I kinda dig the ITB/plenum set up in a "this is totally stupid an unecessary and on top of that, is made for a 1.6" sort of way.

I'm still confused ... the reason I want a second hand kit is that the car will be my first self turboing project.
I'm confused about how everyone says "you are only going to use the turbine and the manifold" why on used or new kits I have heard that a lot... If the kit was already in an NA6 and I buy an NA6 then why couldn't I use everything as the guy before me did. Being in Japan I feel comfortable buying second hand also , its not like buying used in Australia where every 3rd bloke is a hoon. Japanese look after shit , I know a lot of guys here tune their cars just for the sake of it ...I have never in my 10 years here heard a tire squeal unless it was done properly at a track or somewhere secluded after midnight etc...lol

It's because the stuff in these kits was largely garbage to begin with. Doesn't matter how well it was cared for.

Which Japanese ECU for Miata then? This turboing stuff the more I read the more confused I am. I guess the hard way will be the best way to learn this stuff.

I don't understand what a "Japanese ECU" is.

No offense, but it's fairly evident that you are no where near ready to be boosting your car. You need to put the wallet away and do some serious research into what you are getting in to.

I would add:

if you don't know EXACTLY what you want, what you plan to do with it, and how you plan to go about making it happen, as well as a thorough understanding of WHY to each of those questions, you don't know enough to turbo your car properly.

Sure, you can "learn the hard way", but I wouldn't like to find out the odds of that vs miserably failing.

I mean aren't there some Japanese brands , Apexi , HKS that make a Miata ECU? I know I have tons to learn people that's the reason why I'm here!

Regardless , this is why I'm going to spend minimum on this car , because I know I'm not ready to be doing it myself , I stated that clearly at the start of the thread.

Thanks for the advice and sorry I have so many annoying noob questions!

To sum it up the only way I can keep this low budget is if I buy all Japanese parts including the ECU because I am in Japan ...

Also Im sure an ECU such as a Megasqurt or an AEM are awesome but I doubt there will be anywhere that can tune those here , 98% of people don't know any Engrish for a start.

I've sent plenty of of MS'es to Japan, HK, EU, and Aus and somehow they all managed.

I think the problem is that WE'RE mostly in the US, and don't use "Japanese ECUs" because we like nice things.

Funny, I lived in Japan for about 15 years and had no problems. Perhaps you should try to assimilate into the culture a bit and make friends with some garages.

In case you haven't noticed yet, we are not about spoon feeding here. All the information you need has been discussed ad nauseum, and is not difficult to find. Like I said before, you aren't ready for this undertaking. Building a turbo car on a budget takes a strong knowledge of what everything does, and what parts are worth the investment.

You lived in Japan for 15 years so are you like 50-60 something?

Friend at the moment I am in charge of the overseas sales of a parts firm in Okinawa from trying to make friends in the car scene its where I'm at so I have connections in a department that I can get those parts next to nothing . Unfortunately tuning is very rare (and age) in the area I live , (furthest South on Okinawa away from all the Americans and that's where the tuners are mostly in their 20's)...

Funnily when you lived in Japan for 15 years ago the Eunos Roadster was relatively new and popular and there was lots more " Roadster mania" as they call it here , was your life like The Fast n Furious Tokyo Drift too? JK

#1You were in the friendliest areas of Crapan if anyone let you mess around their shop and your Japanese must have been great because 97% of people can't speak a word of Engrish there...

#2 Japanese in main land Japan usually frown on any gaijin coming around their shops unless they are interested to get some free Engrish practice (if they are middle aged) or you are ready to drop a few K in their shop. Or again , you are one lucky m.... f..... I lived in Kobe + I got into cars as a serious hobby only recently.
I used to own an RC parts store which was a second job + played live music. Not so lucky like some of you boys who grew up around cars either ...
Year 2014 , there are very few NA , NB Miatas left on this island , mainly NC here and there in my area ...

So for the third time I will tell you ...you were at the right place or definitely the right time.

Oh ...wanna see the tuning car scene in Okinawa in 2014?

Here you go a short documentary by Vice Published on Feb 17, 2014


There is a subtitle captions option there ...Vice is an English speaking company ...see any Japanese speaking English ? NO

In fact do you see any Jap drift or race videos like the old ones with Keichi Tsuchia Option bla bla bla ?
Ever see any Japanese drivers or tuners speaking English in any interviews at all?
Show me the link...???

Don't tell me you went to Japan and made tuner buddies please , I won't say its impossible but , if anyone reads this , remember what I'm saying when you visit Japan yourself!!!
Japan is the opposite of what you imagine ...Japanese people are kind but not friendly and open to talk to any one anywhere like we are.

Few young or old guys including Mighty Car Mods attempted to go there just to make a video of the scene , maybe you have seen them...was there at least one Japanese person speaking and hanging out with the crews ??? Ya get my point ...Japan is not what you imagine.

I'm thinking to start doing video blogs soon ... I wan't to put a camera on one of the busy streets in Japan and let it video all the cars that go by ...out of 200-300 cars you might see a slightly tuned car and its bound to be a Skyline or a Toyota Chaser.

There is a place called Speed Factory close to where I live in Itoman City , I know those guys ...they have been there for years ...many Americans go there etc. They get 90% Nissan Skylines - Chasers they actually helped me out with my Chaser but don't even recommend tuning a Roadster .

There is very little Roadster "Mania" left in Japan...

I can probably put together something out of salvaged parts if someone helped me out ...I'm buying a T25 with a T3 flange out of a RB20DET for $30 in a couple of days ...I can do this super low budget , I just need the help.

If there are no Jap options on an ECU then I can purchase an overseas made ECU ...

Looks like I gottta meet some Turbo Miata owners in Oki and figure something out as for now all I have is two friends who own stock GTR R32s and one who has owned and built Silvias and the 86 Trueno....

He didn't say he lived in Japan 15 years ago, so i'm not sure what that entire post was all about.


If you're hell-bent on using Japanese JDM Ass Fuck ecus, then you should probably definitely make friends with local turbo Miata guys, as here, we use good things and don't worry about where they come from.

In fact, many of the Megasquirts that we use actually come from Greece. Weird, huh?

He lived there for 15 years so my point is it was 15 years ago that he moved there or more ...for fucks sake think

JDM ass-munch ???

Apexi , HKS bla bla bla ... I wont go on with other superior Japanese electronics ...

Oh and one small thing the car we are talking about The Eunos Roadster is a JDM ass fuck car too?
Hmmm maybe its Greek that's why its so reliable :idea:

So it happens not one of the serious ECU makers bothered with the Roadster , so now they are shit?

I'm asking a question ... I had no idea that its only the Trust e-Manage Ultimate that can be used for Roadsters out of Japan...

There is nothing on them on any boards so I didn't know why and its answered by accident finally , I though common sense Japanese car so I expected that there are makers here that had specific models for the Eunos ...now I see there aren't , that's all I was asking for fucks sake ...

Go Google "Japanese ECU/aftermarket computer makers for Mazda Miata MX5 " what do you get? Nothing.

So if I ask "Are there any Japanese ECU's that I can use for this build?"

I get " I don't understand what a "Japanese ECU" is." -

Jesus Hitler Adolf Christ ...if you don't want to answer peoples questions and help out why bother trying with a half arsed effort...go chill , have a beer , maybe someone else will answer an "Are there... ?" question with a yes or a no.

Bet you $20 you didnt even read that long post there and think I'm praising JDM tuning ...go read it before you start bitching off...its to show you how tuning is "not in fashion" here anymore! In general and especially for the MX5

Quality control bot, aisle 9 please.

The point was that he could have lived there as recently as yesterday.


But really, please just go away. Nobody here can give you the help you think you need. As in... nobody is going to tell you what you want to hear.

You don't want our input. You want your own opinions parroted back at you.


And I say this as an HKS fanboi that makes extensive use of their equipment on my daily driver.

Looks like your plans to put an aftermarket JDM computer in a Miata are DoA.

..

So, Aaron, you speak Japanese? That's impressive. Props.

What was this thead about again? Seems kind of DoA.

"Okinawa explains a lot. I spent a bit of time ther myself, and my Mother in Law is from there."

Probably why you chose her ...Okinawan culture kicks ass over Kobe or Osaka (Dont know about Fukuoka or Hiroshima)

...I have friends from Fukuoka here there are military families in my apartment block and they are much more conservative compared to our friends from Miyazaki ...the people upstairs are a car rental owner family from Osaka and they avoid even saying hello like the rest ...same as most in Kobe and Osaka

Plus I did say I got into the car thing a bit later on dude ...

I think Okinawa is a cool place actually , you don't get kids tugging on mums hand pointing at you saying "Mitte mitte Gaijin" on every corner which gets old after 4-5 years in Kobe & Osaka

" And why would you expect Japanese to speak English? "

Same reason it is spoken in the rest of the world including most of Asia lol.

If a Turk meets a French man in a German airport what language do yo think they will speak ?

The rest of the world has caught on lol

So it would make things easier for them in the world and brake their barriers , so they don't have to struggle for a life time learning it in a land where English is used only as a decoration on T-Shirts and usually is nonsense.

NO Gee, ya think? It's JAPAN. Why the fuck do you keep expecting them to speak English?

Lol are you seriously asking this question? Because they are being interviewed by an English crew to go on youtube where most Germans would speak English.

"Wanna know how I was so successful with my time living there? I adapted. I learned to speak Japanese right away. I didn't have any foolish notion that English would carry me through in a country where they don't speak it."

Did I say I wasnt successful there man?


Show me the link...???
"What the actual fuck? Where are you getting this notion that everything should be English? I bet if I went to a German race in Germany, there would be a whole lot of German, and not a lot of English."

Again if a foreign film crew are there filming and asking questions in English do you think they will respond in German?
I'm not saying they should speak English to each other duuuh you are 40 man WTF are you repeating the pointless English thing over...

"They open up to you pretty fucking quick when you speak their language. Crazy right?! I won't say its impossible but , if anyone reads this , remember what I'm saying when you visit Japan yourself!!! Remember this. Carrying yourself around Japan as a 'Murrican expecting everyone to accept you is an exercise in futility. "

Lol , you can't buy a fucking hamburger in a Japanese Makudonarudo without having to say "hammu-baaaga" it will take them 10 min to call the McDonalsds head office because no one in the place will speak or admit to speaking Engrish.

Japan is the opposite of what you imagine ...Japanese people are kind but not friendly and open to talk to any one anywhere like we are.

"Once again, horseshit. Japan is a wonderful place, and the people are very accepting and friendly provided you are willing to adapt to the culture around you."

OK good luck to all with your positive advice ...I'd love to see what they get from asking for directions in a train station in Osaka
I've had a lady run away from me (Im largeish) after I politely asked "Summimassen kore doko desuka pointing at a map"

I'm thinking to start doing video blogs soon ... I wan't to put a camera on one of the busy streets in Japan and let it video all the cars that go by ...out of 200-300 cars you might see a slightly tuned car and its bound to be a Skyline or a Toyota Chaser.

"Go do that in Fukuoka and tell me how that works out for you. More tuned cars than you could shake a stick at. I'm sorry you live in BFE, but don't generalize an entire country on your limited experience...

I lived in Osaka and Kobe for over 8 years , Okinawa now ... Okinawa has more tuned cars around American areas.

I bet there are more JDM tuned cars in Sydney Australia than Fukuoka too mate ...

How about New Zeland there is a Supra or a Chaser on every corner there

I'm speaking in terms of compared to how many family vans and kei cars that go by in Japan.

Anyway my point is , Japan is not what movies like "Tokyo Drift" make it out to be...

Ye , I agree this is very DoA

Thanks for your help !!!

Oh and by the way if Japan was so great and successful for you why didn't you stay there?
Not being a smart ass , but genuinely asking you there! hehe

So what you're saying is that you expect people in a Japanese-speaking country to adapt to foreigners' language (as long as that language is English). Gee, I can't figure out why you'd have trouble fitting in with locals.

Yes, although I wouldn't consider myself completely fluent. I can read and write it too, to an extent. My wife tells me that I speak like a middle school student. The grammar I have down for the most part, but my vocabulary still contains a large amount of "child" words, and there are still lots of breaks in my sentences where I have to pause and think.

Not that anyone there cares. They (virtually every person I ever encountered) thought it was awesome to have an American friend who they could understand. I was the "token" :rofl: As soon as I opened my mouth with Japanese language instead of English, the attitudes changed from cautious to open.

Point is, I never tried to impose my American culture on anyone. I never expected anyone to speak English, and never carried myself around with my American chest puffed out. I wasn't in America anymore, and I wasn't going to be for a long time. The key to living well in Japan is assimilation and being humble. It's what they do. In America, we are raised with a "rebellious" nature. It's in our history, and we strive for individuality and showing others that "I am my own man". In Japan, the general societal attitude is, "look at how well I fit in, and how well mannered I am".

Judging by how OP presents himself in his posts and ramblings, I doubt he will ever have a very good time there.

I'm going back to Hiroshima for a month in June to stay with the in-laws, Dad isn't doing so well. He's 86, so I guess that's par for the course. I'll get some video of this supposed "non-existent" tuner scene.

Go for it , keep us posted , the OP said to you ...I'm new , if I was into it when I was living in Kansai area maybe I would have seekd out some groups , let me see those Japanese scene Miatas too while you are at it !

Why do tons of Americans adapt to Mexicans and almost fucking fluent Spanish ? WTF are you talking about ? Use your brain before you write !

Have you ever been out of the US ? Go to Europe and see how many people will speak English to you , go to most of Asia and see how many people will notice you are a tourist and what language are they going to speak to you French? No , English ...it is a universal tool ...go travel and you will see.

The point is this doesn't exist in Japan that's all , why the hell is it so hard for you to comprehend?

Have you ever looked at where my location is (or what languages are spoken there)?

By the way, I'm in Germany on average a day a week or so. I've lived, travelled and worked in Europe for 5 months apart from that. My last vacation was in Thailand, I've been to South America twice, and my idea of a fun 10 day trip is flying to Australia.

I'm also active in a German group back home, and am pretty well acquainted with how people in/from other countries adapt to other cultures. And you're apparently a troglodyte who thinks that being a visitor to a different place gives you the right to force your language and culture on people's homes. You can argue about the merits of that all you want, but I think you've already seen what the result is.

Wow amazing good for you what an amazing life sounds like a dream , what do you do president of Albania or something? By the way you sound like what we in Australia call a "total tosser". Oh I see Montreal lol:ky:

Your vagina hurts so bad you had to spend 3 months thinking of a reply?

Hey! Watch your mouth little boy...

No vag here except my wife's and I hardly look at this garbage unless I'm doing something to my car. Whats your problem? Not enough semen to swallow ? You breath stinks of it all the way to Japan ...

1000 posts , friggin forum troll :loser:

What is this i don't even.