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miataz 04-06-2008 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 239064)
Well, you have them set to come on at 215 by the pic, so somethings wrong. If MS is running fan control then that thermo switch has no effect. Why don't you try turning the car on when it's cold and varying the setting on fan control and verify you can make them come on and off by changing the on/off temp. For example, put it to 0*F and 1000*F, they should go on and off. Turn your brain on and think, troubleshoot, and eliminate possible problems until you discover the error.

Yes i know i was fooling around with that and they were going off and on didnt know why. And so thats why the thermo switch is pointless i see. Soo what would i have to set them at then, is it not cooling off cause my fan shroud isnt sealed and its pulling air from anywhere?

patsmx5 04-06-2008 11:12 PM

I don't know, but you should definitely try sealing the shroud. Oh, and please TRY to use a little bit better grammar. I hate being a grammar Nazi, and yours isn't terrible, just saying I had to read it twice to understand it.

miataz 04-07-2008 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 239168)
I don't know, but you should definitely try sealing the shroud. Oh, and please TRY to use a little bit better grammar. I hate being a grammar Nazi, and yours isn't terrible, just saying I had to read it twice to understand it.

Sorry i just type so fast sometimes and forget to proof read before i post. Alright im going to use this tape,
http://www.constrictors.com/images/Info/TempProbe.jpg
I believe its called heat tape, it looks like tinfoil and is very sticky :). Its used around your furnace pipes to hold them together and good for heat hence the name, and i have lots of it. So im going to give that a shot and tell you how it works out.

patsmx5 04-07-2008 11:52 AM

That's called duct tape. Anyway, I would suggest using some weather stripping myself to seal it up.

miataz 04-07-2008 05:28 PM

Ok so i used weather stripping but it was round not rectangular so it sealed better then i put that tape over it. Went for a drive fans went on at 180deg but there always on and the car temp stays at 184deg all the time says megatune is this normal? Or should it be cooling down fans go off then come back on or stay at that current temperature, cause i dont want my car overheating.

Zabac 04-07-2008 05:48 PM

this does not sound right?
your fans should come on when MS tells them to come on, if your ms is set to turn fans on at 215 and they are coming on at 180, then you may have a problem...
however, think your problem is that your MS looks like it is set to turn fans on at 180 and off at 155, that's not good, your car will never be at 155 while driving, that is way too cold...
Set fans on at 207, of at 197 and see how that goes for ya...(or you can do on at 197 off at 187)
do that, report back

miataz 04-07-2008 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by Zabac (Post 239564)
this does not sound right?
your fans should come on when MS tells them to come on, if your ms is set to turn fans on at 215 and they are coming on at 180, then you may have a problem...
however, think your problem is that your MS looks like it is set to turn fans on at 180 and off at 155, that's not good, your car will never be at 155 while driving, that is way too cold...
Set fans on at 207, of at 197 and see how that goes for ya...(or you can do on at 197 off at 187)
do that, report back

Alright thats what i was thinking, il bbs lol

miataz 04-07-2008 06:59 PM

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No go changed it to what you said...fans are still coming on at 180deg. Where it says fan on and fan off temperature i think thats if you wire it to the MS with the pins.
Attachment 213595
And i changed it to inverted on this one on the bottom and they went off...fooled around with the numbers never turned on put it back to normal fooled around with the numbers again and they are still coming on at 180deg:vash:
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patsmx5 04-07-2008 07:02 PM

Shit, I dunno. Why the hell would MS turn them on sooner? Turn fan control off and go for a ride and see if they still come on a 180. Do you still have the stock ecu? Is the stock coolant sensor thing maybe cutting in and turning them on? Your settings look fine, you must have some wiring wrong or something.

Arkmage 04-07-2008 08:08 PM

perhaps a sticking relay?

miataz 04-07-2008 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 239603)
Shit, I dunno. Why the hell would MS turn them on sooner? Turn fan control off and go for a ride and see if they still come on a 180. Do you still have the stock ecu? Is the stock coolant sensor thing maybe cutting in and turning them on? Your settings look fine, you must have some wiring wrong or something.

Did that turned them off still come on lol. Nope no stock ecu just the MSPNP. Um the thermo-switch(stock coolant sensor) isnt even hooked up and they still come on and when it is they still come on. And i believe someone said that when you use MS its not even used to control the fans to come on. Pic again of how there hooked up
Attachment 213589

i need this fixed insurance is going to be on this weekend!!!:mad:

Zabac 04-08-2008 10:04 AM

when you got your MSPnP, it came with instructions, no?
if it did, did you follow instructions on how to wire up the fans, did you even install it yourself?
Did your Stock fan come on at 180, or do you even know this.
Describe in proper english the series of events that lead to the problem.
ex: install MS, tune, all good, install fans, problem...etc.

Braineack 04-08-2008 10:11 AM

Here's a brillant idea. I dunno where I come up with this shit:

Email Matt or Jerry and ask them exactly what you change to alter the temp that switches the cooling fans on.

Zabac 04-08-2008 10:20 AM

duh duhrer

Atlanta93LE 04-08-2008 10:26 AM

Read, people. Or search. Output 2 controls the fan. On-Off Limit controls the switch temp. Notice that it says, right next to that, in parenthesis, that the value is deg F +40...meaning that a value of 215 means temp switchpoint is 175.

The hysteresis value controls the time/temp variance for on/off control (so that the fan isn't constantly switching on/off right at the switch point).

This is all explained in the MSPNP manual, as well as in previous posts on this forum. READ!

Atlanta93LE 04-08-2008 10:40 AM

Besides, 180°F is just barely warmed up. Take Zapac's advice and set it for ~200 (remember, in stock form, the fan turns on at 207°F...so stop freaking the fuck out).

miataz 04-08-2008 04:32 PM

Okay i put the on-off limit to 247 cause you said its -40 so that means they go on at 207deg right, and then i put the off hysteresis to 50 so that means they turn off at 197. Am i correct?

patsmx5 04-08-2008 04:46 PM

OMG, he said read. Do what he said. It would be the best thing you could possibly do. I know what you need to do now, I read.

miataz 04-08-2008 04:48 PM

I did fucking read cant you just answer the god dam question yes or no is it that hard...
edit:my manual got burnt up :giggle:

jayc72 04-08-2008 04:55 PM

We should build a corral for you people. Round you up and beat you with the fucking documentation!

Congrats, you are the second person on my ignore.


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