it's more like, pavement pushing down your head, pushing your body down, as opposed to 6pt where you can't get pushed out of the belt, and therefore --> pavement still pushing on your head, but neck getting 4" shorter when body doesn't move.

Depending on the pavement/head-pushing, it may not matter, hence the need for a rollbar :)

You're talking about totally different forces.
At dead stop at 60mph, you will have a kinetic energy of something like 27000 joule (aka. nm), thats 19900 lbf. (assuming you are around 165 pounds).

How much torque do tour car have? ;)

I run a 3" Simpson harness in a sparco seat with a nutstrap. Make sure and get the 6-point or you'll smash your nuts from time to time. I welded in a harness bar on my roll bar, because I'm fucking ganxter, and I'll cut your ass.

what i mean is that since bolts aren't supposed to support an amount of force in a horizontal direction (in the eyes of some members), then woudln't wheel studs be stressed horizontally under sudden acceleration/decleration to the point of shearing since they are not designed to withstand such forces? I'm not saying a bolt would not shear if pushed too hard horizontally, i am saying that savington has a misunderstanding of how a rod of metal works

Anyone want to see why you should have a roll bar on your miata, racing or not? You wouldn't believe how easy it really is to roll a small short wheel base car.. I watched with my own eyes a Ford tempo get t-boned at an intersection low speed, like maybe 30mph clipped.. The tempo spun 180 degrees, hit a curb, then rolled onto its roof.

Say you're driving down the highway and swerve to miss a deer, lose control of the car on pavement a good hard sideways slide can flip a car. Run off the road to miss something in the road, same thing could happen from a sideways slide with enough momentum.

Here I offer a youtube video of an NA miata rollover test. This test shows what happens when a car tumbling lands on its side upset, then FALLS with NO momentum, ONLY GRAVITY onto its top. The A-Pillars crush and you can see a dummy arm is crushed by the top of the door.



This isn't a typical violent rollover from what I've seen.. Just a good example of what'd happen if your car went from sitting on its side, to sitting on its roof.

cool vid. so where is your roll bar, lol

Yeah. With the 3-point, when the ground hits your head, your head moves as your body collapses inwards. With a 6-point, your head hits the ground, and you fucking die. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, and if you can't do it, mabye you shouldn't be tackling such a major part of your build without some professional assistance.

So long as you have a rollbar in both instances, and as long as the harness bar is properly attached, there is virtually no difference.

As far as wheel studs vs. cockpit brace goes, think about the forces. All a wheel stud has to do is transfer a force; it transfers the force of the tire being pummeled upwards into the suspension and into the car. The cockpit brace isn't transferring any force anywhere; the car is rigid, and so the bolts end up taking all the strain. This is why a car's drivetrain can be very reliable when it's just driving around on the street, but suddenly destroy itself at a drag strip; suddenly, the forces aren't being simply passed along (into wheelspin).

well when you brake heavily the weight of the car shifts forward making the car "feel" heavier, this force is also coupled with the force of the deceleration because the brake pads are stopping the rotors which are stopping the wheel studs which are stopping the wheels stopping the car. So all the momentum is therefore transferred to pressure being applied horizontally on those studs :bigtu: I'll admit attaching harnesses to the rear brace is not a good idea, but i doubt it would be the bolts that failed you :nono: Thx for the info on the harness bar you's guys, i'll just weld a horizontal support onto my rollbar when i make one

Does anyone know if there is a good harness solution for the Boss Frog double hoop? They told me to wrap the harness around the bottom bars, but they are at an angle and I think that would allow for movement.

I'd rather not have to get something welded on it, but I suppose if I have to I have to.

aren't you allowed to wrap it around vertical bars for track use?

From the NASA handbook:
I've read that people trying to attach their harness like Bossfrog shows on their website (to the vertical) have not passed tech for Nasa. That might be at the disgression of the inspector. Either way, i won't attach them any way but with a dedicated harness bar.

Still in raw stock at Boss Frog cause my bank account won't support it. :mad::fawk:

Thats the next purchase, trust me. Its always been VERY high on my list of priorities, but I drive the car like Never anyway.. Always broken or snowing around here. :)

If you have a 4 point harness and roll bar, you are just like this kid. I mean, what is he going to do if he rolls that thing with his 4 point harness on?

edit: sorry if i revived an old thread for a retarded reason.

Haha well I got a laugh out of it.

Pedal cars for kids that are worth as much as 1.6 FTW!!:gtfo:

looks better