Hawk brake compounds
Last month we had the rep for Hawk here for a huge high performance seminar we do every three months and I got the chance to talk to him about some of there compounds and uses and he brought something to my attention that I really liked.
Most people who put Hawk pads on there car are using the HP+ or HPS compound which is intended for street/autoX use and is pretty much the first step into Hawk pads. HP+ is the lower grade of the two, I personally wouldnt reccomend them as they are a noisier and dustier pad, I personally use HPS for daily driving and can not give any bad review. I was asking him about what compounds would give more biting power without stepping up to a racing compound that would just eat my rotors for dinner and well surprisingly he already had an answer for me. He had someone test a DTC-30 compound on a Corvette while autocrossing, with nothing but rave reviews. The DTC-30 compound was originally a Dirt Track Compound that has the same rotor wear properties as the HPS with the downside of a little more dust. They decided to use the pads as a daily to find out the long term abuse on the rotors which they concluded was similar to the HPS. I am not trying to sell anything here just pass on this info to anyone looking for a little more bite on there DD/AutoX car. |
HP Plus is more aggressive than HPS. I wouldn't call it "lower grade" when it performs better at stopping the car.
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Thanks, for the report. I had been using HP+ on my wilwoods and 1.8 rear, stops on a dime but it does gives some noise especially while stopping in reverse! as crazy as that sounds during alot of parking manuver. Rotor killer? not too sure yet, but Dust is definitly a turn off.
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I ran down 3 sets of HP+ on my 94whp car with street rubber over 19-track days. I really like that pad, but I'm on the upper MOT limit. They squeek and they're dusty, but I don't care. I thought they were fairly easy on rotors...and why would you care with $20 rotors?
I'm going to try carbotechs on emilios recommendation, because of the prospect of streeting xp10's. If they don't outlast the Blue's, then I'm going to bitch and moan about the cash I wasted. |
Originally Posted by Meola
(Post 331368)
Most people who put Hawk pads on there car are using the HP+ or HPS compound which is intended for street/autoX use and is pretty much the first step into Hawk pads. HP+ is the lower grade of the two, I personally wouldnt reccomend them as they are a noisier and dustier pad, I personally use HPS for daily driving and can not give any bad review.
Sound like that rep needs to study up himself. HP+ is an autocross/ light trackday pad. My DD pad. HPS is their entry level shitty street pad. |
I've been autocrossing an 89 RX-7 for 5 years now and have run both the HPS and the HP Plus. The HP Plus is very easy to modulate, yet seems to improve as the heat builds, without getting too grippy. They would give all that the Kuhmo V710 slicks could take without a problem. The stock pads I used prior to them got worse as heat increased and became useless very quickly (which meant longer waits between runs). I ordered a new set from Jeg's and was sent the HPS by accident. I wanted to race that weekend so I went ahead and used them. Save your money if you are thinking about buying the HPS and just get some cheapos at Autozone. They are very similar.
I sold the RX-7 and bought my Miata recently. HP Plus pads are on the "to-do" list. BTW dust was not even close to excessive. The car wasn't a daily driver, but I would drive it everywhere and the brakes went from average to amazing with the change to HP Plus. If you really want to stop well, they are worth a little dust. If you want it to always be pretty, park it in your living room. |
Id rather run a hp+ any day of the week over hps. Even if my car was a dd I think I could handle it.
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I did some researching and it turns out Braineack was right, but you know the people pushing the product on the distributor dont really need to know much about it. The compounds for Hawk go as follows (low end to top end)
HPS: Entry Level Ferro-Carbon Pad, acts like your standard ceramic pad. ***Increased noise, dust, pad and rotor wear from this point on*** HP Plus: AutoX/Club Track Days, Track 'n Back without a brake change DR-97: Drag Racing Black: Dirt Circle Track Blue 9012: #1 SCCA choice, Multi-purpose compound MT-4: Pavement Circle Track under 2800lbs HT-10: Higher Torque then 9012 HT-14: F2000, F3000, Trans Am and Porsche GT, designed for high deceleration DTC-05: Dirt Circle Track and AutoX, designed for low torque DTC-30: Dirt Circle Track and AutoX DTC-60: NASCAR, ARCA, ASA, Open Wheel/Formula DTC-70: NASCAR, ARCA, ASA, Open Wheel/Formula, designed for high deceleration. All your DTC compounds are a serious race compound and will be extremely hard on your rotors. DTC is Hawks acronym for Dynamic Torque Control using these pads will allow you to setup certain vehicle characteristics under braking. The HPS is considered harder on your rotors in comparison to say a raybestos ceramic pad. And well I care about how much unnessecary wear is inflicted on my rotors cause you sure as hell dont pay $20 for Powerslot rotors, and if you do please let me know and I will make that company richer beyond belief. Slotted rotors on all four wheels alone is going to be about $400 |
stop buying slotted rotors. I just saved you $320.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 331596)
stop buying slotted rotors. I just saved you $320.
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Originally Posted by boileralum
(Post 331601)
Agreed. Slotted rotors are a waste of money if you are looking for performance benefits.
I prefer my brakes to work when I am coming down a mountain side at 160km/h but thats just my opinion. Not to mention I sell car parts all day long so there is no hope in hell of me personally paying that much cost me $300 to do a four wheel brake job last time with hawk pads and powerslot rotors. The weight of a miata does not justify the need to get a big brake kit just upgrade what you have on your exsisting car, much cheaper and pretty much just as effective. |
Sorry but thats just wrong. Slots will decrease the surface area of the rotor thus decreasing the amount of breaking force they provide. You just pulled the 50% number out of your ass. Not to mention if the slots have sharp edges they will wear the pad faster than normal.
Originally Posted by Meola
(Post 331657)
I will never run anything but a slotted rotor, and if you havent run a powerslot rotor then dont talk. Dont mean to be rude but with a decent hawk compound and a powerslot rotor you can easily increase braking power by well over 50% compared to stock. Not to mention the loss of brake fade and cooler running temps of my brakes, cooler brakes mean better stopping and less stress on your rotor.
I prefer my brakes to work when I am coming down a mountain side at 160km/h but thats just my opinion. Not to mention I sell car parts all day long so there is no hope in hell of me personally paying that much cost me $300 to do a four wheel brake job last time with hawk pads and powerslot rotors. The weight of a miata does not justify the need to get a big brake kit just upgrade what you have on your exsisting car, much cheaper and pretty much just as effective. |
I will never run anything but a slotted rotor, and if you havent run a powerslot rotor then dont talk. http://www.boostedmiata.com/Brake_Up...slot_crack.jpg Dont mean to be rude but with a decent hawk compound and a powerslot rotor you can easily increase braking power by well over 50% compared to stock. Not to mention the loss of brake fade and cooler running temps of my brakes, cooler brakes mean better stopping and less stress on your rotor. I prefer my brakes to work when I am coming down a mountain side at 160km/h but thats just my opinion. Not to mention I sell car parts all day long so there is no hope in hell of me personally paying that much cost me $300 to do a four wheel brake job last time with hawk pads and powerslot rotors. The weight of a miata does not justify the need to get a big brake kit just upgrade what you have on your exsisting car, much cheaper and pretty much just as effective. If you want slotted rotors....buy $15 blanks, take them to a mahcine shop and get the grooves cut yourself....the cost:benefit of Powerslot rotors is retarded. |
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I track my cars.... I use autozone plain old rotors. FUCK slotted/drilled junk. I don't need pretty rotors that fall apart... I need ones that have higher heat dissipation through mass and less weakness from cuts/holes.
Seriously... super big waste of money. |
Originally Posted by Meola
(Post 331657)
I will never run anything but a slotted rotor, and if you havent run a powerslot rotor then dont talk. Dont mean to be rude but with a decent hawk compound and a powerslot rotor you can easily increase braking power by well over 50% compared to stock. Not to mention the loss of brake fade and cooler running temps of my brakes, cooler brakes mean better stopping and less stress on your rotor.
I prefer my brakes to work when I am coming down a mountain side at 160km/h but thats just my opinion. Not to mention I sell car parts all day long so there is no hope in hell of me personally paying that much cost me $300 to do a four wheel brake job last time with hawk pads and powerslot rotors. The weight of a miata does not justify the need to get a big brake kit just upgrade what you have on your exsisting car, much cheaper and pretty much just as effective. |
Congrats on losing all credibility as a good posting member lol
You don't come in here with 15 posts and make an ass of yourself and get away with it :giggle: |
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Originally Posted by Meola
(Post 331657)
Dont mean to be rude but with a decent hawk compound and a powerslot rotor you can easily increase braking power by well over 50% compared to stock.
If you really cared about your rotors, you would throw those shitty Hawks away and get some Carbotechs. My XP12s dust and squeal like a set of Hawk Blues with 90% higher MOT and 600% better rotor wear. (Yes, 600%. You get 3 months out of a set of rotors with Blues, I'm supposed to get 18.)
Originally Posted by Meola
(Post 331657)
Not to mention I sell car parts all day long
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Originally Posted by Meola
(Post 331657)
I will never run anything but a slotted rotor, and if you havent run a powerslot rotor then dont talk. Dont mean to be rude but with a decent hawk compound and a powerslot rotor you can easily increase braking power by well over 50% compared to stock. Not to mention the loss of brake fade and cooler running temps of my brakes, cooler brakes mean better stopping and less stress on your rotor.
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