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Old 05-09-2010, 02:39 PM   #1
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So I was happily cruising along the highway a few minutes ago at about 60mph, 15pct throttle when I felt the car loose all power. I coasted down to the side of the road and when I put the clutch in and dropped to neutral the rpm when all the way to zero.

Checked the plugs and they look ok. My new gates timing belt also looked ok from what I could see without taking off the cover. Wtf!?!? Suggestions? I am out of AAA tows for the year :( I am thinking maybe clogged fuel filter but the plugs were a bit wet so I dunno what's up. Everything looks aok in the hydra. FML
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Come on I know you guys love helping out on mystery bullshit problems like these.
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Old 05-09-2010, 03:51 PM   #3
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Will the engine turn? Check spark? Running out of fuel generally kills it slowly, not suddenly, although the two times my fuel pump cut off on me I was idling. Plus as you said the plugs are wet.
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Yup I can crank it but it doesn't catch.

Noob question. How do you check for spark? Read the suggestion a bunch o times but never learned how to do it
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Pull a spark plug, put it back in the wire or COP, lay the threads on the valve cover so you can see them from the driver seat, and crank it. You should see a spark jump across. If you have the time, do it with all four, you can do it all at once too.
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I would suspect something like a cam position sensor and imagine that your Hydra has some sort of diagnostics mode when hooked to your laptop which would allow you to check for cam and crank signals coming in.
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The pushing in the clutch precipitated the stall?

Just for kicks, try to wiggle your crank pulley a bit.

My guess is sensor related too though.
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The no start is rather a simple problem.
It's either air, fuel, or spark.
You'll need a helping hand (or two), and, just crank it over while checking for spark.
If that doesn't work, pull the fuel lines to check for fuel.

I once had to be towed because the plug for my coil pack was not on 100% tight. A nice $80 lesson.
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Any updates?
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OK updates. No good news.

I have spark

I have fuel pressure at the rail

Timing/compression is aok (160 dry while cranking across all cylinders)


Problem is

No injectors are firing :( :( :(

Not sure what to do. :|
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Just to clarify, you have fuel at the rail, and by fuel I mean correct pressure not just fuel getting there? You are NOT getting fuel past the rail through the injectors?
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Just to clarify, you have fuel at the rail, and by fuel I mean correct pressure not just fuel getting there? You are NOT getting fuel past the rail through the injectors?
righteo.
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You tried pulling the injectors out of the rail, and putting in another set? I dont know much about your engine management so I have a feeling its possibly something dealing with that commanding the pulsewidths. Sorry I cant be much of help.
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If I can find my factory injectors, I will but the thing is all 4 are dead. My wiring for the injectors looks ok (plug and play rc750) so my guess is something with the hydra itself or the hydra wiring :(
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You checked the injector fuse under the hood?

I have a set of 99 injectors if you want to give them a go.
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Log a crank session. Is the Hydra at least trying to send a pulse to the injectors?
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Log a crank session. Is the Hydra at least trying to send a pulse to the injectors?
You mean like does the noid light flash? It does.

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OK I think I have an idea of what this could be.

When I bought the car, it had a aftermarket alarm Directd Viper installed. There's still a bunch of wire fuckage from that install underneath the steering column. My thought is that some anti theft bullshit activated.

The problem is that it's a real rats nest under there-- the install doesn't look that clean. Tracing all this crap out is going to not be fun. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the immobilizer system etc? I just want to put this antitheft system **** back to stock. I checked at the directd website but of course I need a login/pass to get access to the actual install docs.
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Dumb question - but do some accessories not work as well? fan for instance? You may want to check your Main Relay by the engine fuel compartment.. I had mine go out and it killed the entire car...
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Ok so new info

Its not the alarm- that just disables the starter not the inectors

Spark is ok and validated via curly method

Injectors are ok I can smell the fuel

Crank angle sensor is ok since rpms readout in the hydra aok

There is no CAS

When I try to crank it goes eh eh eh eh eh whirrrr then repeats. Does this mean timing is out of phase? Ideas pleeez
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