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ActionJackson 02-20-2018 11:37 PM

Read through this whole thread, thanks for the good laugh everyone :rofl:...

I too am a broke and impatient student, but I'm a college student. When I was in highschool I was lucky enough to have been gifted a JR supercharged NA6 from my parents (was their third car); but, of course my dreams of turbos led me to where I am today. Instead of boosting my tired 1.6, I decided to swap the engine to a freshly rebuilt NA8 with upgraded rods and upgraded head-studs, got an MS2 and am learning to tune, and now I'm saving for a NEW Borg Warner EFR and a NEW FM kit for all the other goodies required of a turbo kit... 100% not the cheapest way to do it... 100% not the fastest way to do it, but swapping my engine and messing with megasquirt has been the most challenging and rewarding things I've ever done and I know when I do install my turbo, the car will be faster, more reliable, and I am better equipped to tackle any problems that may arise. You're definitely doing the right thing pulling the engine... I painted my engine bay too, satin black is hard to mess up BTW...

Good luck with your build!

AJ

ridethecliche 02-22-2018 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by ActionJackson (Post 1467971)
Read through this whole thread, thanks for the good laugh everyone :rofl:...

I too am a broke and impatient student, but I'm a college student. When I was in highschool I was lucky enough to have been gifted a JR supercharged NA6 from my parents (was their third car); but, of course my dreams of turbos led me to where I am today. Instead of boosting my tired 1.6, I decided to swap the engine to a freshly rebuilt NA8 with upgraded rods and upgraded head-studs, got an MS2 and am learning to tune, and now I'm saving for a NEW Borg Warner EFR and a NEW FM kit for all the other goodies required of a turbo kit... 100% not the cheapest way to do it... 100% not the fastest way to do it, but swapping my engine and messing with megasquirt has been the most challenging and rewarding things I've ever done and I know when I do install my turbo, the car will be faster, more reliable, and I am better equipped to tackle any problems that may arise. You're definitely doing the right thing pulling the engine... I painted my engine bay too, satin black is hard to mess up BTW...

Good luck with your build!

AJ

You know the EFR won't fit on the FM manifold without significant modification to the shelf right?

ryansmoneypit 02-23-2018 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1468266)
You know the EFR won't fit on the FM manifold without significant modification to the shelf right?

Sledge hammer. started out near the red line, then gently smash the thing into shape. Bad angle on the pic, I have a good amount of clearance now. hammer the shelf down and back. folds nicely.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...46cf467868.png

ActionJackson 02-23-2018 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit (Post 1468386)
Sledge hammer. started out near the red line, then gently smash the thing into shape. Bad angle on the pic, I have a good amount of clearance now. hammer the shelf down and back. folds nicely.

This is the only modification required to fit the EFR on a FM manifold??

You may have just made my day.

AJ

sixshooter 02-23-2018 04:43 PM

I thought it was probably too wide to fit between the manifold and the frame rail but I guess it depends on what size you are running.

ryansmoneypit 02-23-2018 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by ActionJackson (Post 1468389)
This is the only modification required to fit the EFR on a FM manifold??

You may have just made my day.

AJ

I am running an ArTech manifold, so I cannot comment on the fit for sure, but I will go measure from cylinder head to turbo..

EDIT: Looks like my turbo sits about 4.75 inches from the head. height does not look like it will change fitment. This is a 6258

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3b8cfcf740.jpg

Miridion 04-03-2018 07:18 PM

Little update for anyone who cares. Mostly things have been going a little sketchy the past couple of months. Recently replaced alternator in a Zaxby's parking lot after it died on me at 12 in the morning after work. Got it swapped out and now it makes an awful screeching sound (going to have to go back and make sure nothing is in the way and everything is at the right tension. It has been smelling like oil and my oil pressure is constantly under 30. Planning to do an oil change with Rotella R6 when I get the chance. While trying to swap back to my stock exhaust for a visit from family, one of the studs to the stock cat completely snapped off. Noting to myself to put anti-seize on my "new cat" once I get it. For now I'm gonna have to deal with awful rattling and the headache of a exhaust leak after the cat. Also going to have to get a new driveshaft or have the u-joints replaced. At around 30-40 mph it causes my shifter to bounce up and down a bunch and squeaks at low speeds with some play as well. Also getting some misfires at high speeds or RPM. I did sell my eBay manifold, deciding to wait until I have a good engine and the money to buy good parts. I'm probably going to keep the Nissan T3 turbo that I got for free (gonna sand blast it and rebuild it). But some good things have arrived. I have gotten the missing rear deck carpet that I'm going to have to cut to fit around the welded roll bar. I have a new radio to replace the... well.. nothing that was there before. I also learned that I am missing one headrest speaker and my door speakers are 1/2 working. But all good things come with patience. Probably going to order a set of Konig Wideopen hopefully in the next month or so, so I look forward to that. Hopefully I can iron everything out and also install the new top I've had for almost a year (rainy season is coming to Florida). Thank you for your time!

Monk 04-03-2018 07:43 PM

Sell the turbo.
Save for megasqirt.
Save for mkturbo kit.

Miridion 04-03-2018 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by Monk (Post 1475343)
Sell the turbo.
Save for megasqirt.
Save for mkturbo kit.

The mkturbo kit looks pretty nice. I'd probably opt for the full kit with the intercooler piping and such since it'd be easier to have the whole thing figured out when I first get it rather than piece together.

Monk 04-04-2018 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Miridion (Post 1475374)
The mkturbo kit looks pretty nice. I'd probably opt for the full kit with the intercooler piping and such since it'd be easier to have the whole thing figured out when I first get it rather than piece together.

That's a good idea.
You aren't going to cobble something together for cheaper than Lars' kit.
At least not something that works and is reliable.
Building your own system comes after you've messed around with complete systems and have some experience tuning, etc.

It sounds like you need to focus more on getting the car sorted out as it sits.
You can do it, you just need to prioritize.

cpierr03 04-04-2018 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Miridion (Post 1475341)
one of the studs to the stock cat completely snapped off. Noting to myself to put anti-seize on my "new cat" once I get it. For now I'm gonna have to deal with awful rattling and the headache of a exhaust leak after the cat.

This is pretty common. Just cut off as much of the stud as you can, and drill out the rest. Replace with nuts/bolts/washers.

Miridion 04-19-2018 06:34 PM

So I finally purchased some 15x8 +25 Konig Wideopens from Good-Win.
Going to be wrapping them in Toyo Proxes Tr1 195/45/r15.
Not the best, but okay for the money and will do much better than the 9 year old tires that are currently on the car.

concealer404 04-19-2018 06:42 PM

T1Rs were terrible when you were in diapers, and they're not worth any amount of money in the year 2018. That is also the wrong size.

moocow 04-19-2018 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1478124)
T1Rs were terrible when you were in diapers, and they're not worth any amount of money in the year 2018. That is also the wrong size.

Yes and yes. I think he wants 195/50/15. Why would anyone pick Proxes when you've the ZIII, RE71R, and the RS4 in195/50/15? Or if you aren't tracking it, Sport Comp 2s or S Drives.

concealer404 04-19-2018 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by moocow (Post 1478133)
Yes and yes. I think he wants 195/50/15. Why would anyone pick Proxes when you've the ZIII, RE71R, and the RS4 in195/50/15? Or if you aren't tracking it, Sport Comp 2s or S Drives.

He wants 205/50r15.

Miridion 04-19-2018 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1478135)
He wants 205/50r15.

yes I actually was looking for 205/50s. I’m probably gonna cancel my order and save for a better set in the size I wanted. I don’t like the stanceboi look of the 195’s

Edit: Amazon cannot cancel my order even though I made it an hour ago, so I guess I’m stuck with them.

miataman04 04-20-2018 10:04 AM

You're not wrong to looking at toyo tires though. I ran T1Rs on my NA car for a long time and I though they were the bees knees until I got R1Rs. Just whatever you do, don't get dunlops. I ordered 4 once and 3 where not round and had to get replaced under warranty. At the end I still had 1 tire that just shook at different speeds. Anywho read reviews.

icantlearn 04-20-2018 01:40 PM

The bfg sport comp 2 are the shiz for a street car. If I were you, I would hold off on all mods till the car is mechanically sound and squared away. Fix all the broken shit first, then mods. Im 17. I understand the struggle. They key is prioritizing where you spend your money and make good investemnts. Also, I used to work minimum wage. But I promise you, there are jobs that pay well over minimum wage that you should be able to snag. Look harder, past the burger joints and the normal jobs. They are out there.

Monk 04-20-2018 01:44 PM

Even burger joints pay well over minimum wage nowadays.
A small income can go far if you budget and have self control, but I repeat myself.

Girz0r 04-20-2018 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by MiataMan00 (Post 1478267)
The bfg sport comp 2 are the shiz for a street car.

Can confirm,

Installed a meaty set on my stock FRS rims recently, night & day difference. :likecat:

Miridion 04-20-2018 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Monk (Post 1478268)
Even burger joints pay well over minimum wage nowadays.
A small income can go far if you budget and have self control, but I repeat myself.

definitely. The new chicken places in my town are starting off at over $9 an hour. I make around that much after working at least 2 years at the same place. Hopefully once I turn 18 I can get a job at a dealership. My friend put in good word for me.

Miridion 04-30-2018 03:55 PM

The end result.
I think it looks pretty good, though I don't like the tired fitment (my fault for going 195)
Pretty soon she'll be getting a VLSD that I'm getting for free and a new top.
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...d8&oe=5B512DC2

icantlearn 04-30-2018 05:15 PM

I wouldn't bother with the vlsd personally. its a lot of work for no improvement. All the VLSDs are worn out by now and they were not good to begin with.

Cars looking better tho.

miataman04 04-30-2018 10:31 PM

You might could run some small spacers to fill it out. I'd just say function is the form. Next time you know what to do differently.

Miridion 05-01-2018 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by miataman04 (Post 1479806)
You might could run some small spacers to fill it out. I'd just say function is the form. Next time you know what to do differently.

Yeah, I could do that.
My concern is with how short the studs already are, It would be dangerous.

Miridion 05-08-2018 09:40 AM

Started pulling the engine yesterday.

Either going to find a 1.8 and refresh it, or completely rebuild the stock 1.6 with a flyin miata kit.

Also found something called a ”speeduino”, looks promising for a budget, but I don’t see a lot of support on here. It runs tunerstudio and anything.
I didn’t see 18psi say anything negative about it other than not knowing what it is so it can’t be too bad.. can it?

going to do more research on it before I decide whether or not I’ll get the speeduino or save a couple hundred more for a ms2 at the least

90LowNSlo 05-08-2018 10:04 AM

I got a used ms2 with all necessary wiring and a variable TPS OFF a member on the forums for $350 shipped... how is anything worth a damn going to be a couple hundred cheaper?

And do you think there is a chance you'll install it and set it up and not need any help? MS basically pays for itself in that every possible question that can be asked has already been asked. Any issues you have someone here knows the answer.... is the speedothing worth diving into alone?

ryansmoneypit 05-08-2018 10:16 AM

yep^ i sold my ms2 for 400

ryansmoneypit 05-08-2018 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Miridion (Post 1480925)
other than not knowing what it is so it can’t be too bad.. can it?

say this out loud 10 times. After you yell it out loud, tell us whether or not you feel like its a retarded thing to say.

concealer404 05-08-2018 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit (Post 1480931)
say this out loud 10 times. After you yell it out loud, tell us weather or not you feel like its a retarded thing to say.

Unsure if i should laugh or cry. Or be with you or against you. Please advise! <3 :bowrofl:

Miridion 05-08-2018 10:30 AM

^honestly made me laugh too. :rofl:
Yeah, I’d rather get an MS. I was just looking at more options that I ran into on a Facebook page.
After I get my engine pulled I’ll just be contemplating the way to do my build.
Either Keep my 1.6 or go ham on a 1.8 and do the MKturbo kit, either way it won’t go into the car until I get a MS. If I pull the engine all the way I’m turboing it.

Skamba 05-08-2018 10:44 AM

Thread on speeduino is here. Currently still in experimental stages, and only NA6 is supported.

18psi 05-08-2018 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Miridion (Post 1480925)
Started pulling the engine yesterday.

Either going to find a 1.8 and refresh it, or completely rebuild the stock 1.6 with a flyin miata kit.

Also found something called a ”speeduino”, looks promising for a budget, but I don’t see a lot of support on here. It runs tunerstudio and anything.
I didn’t see 18psi say anything negative about it other than not knowing what it is so it can’t be too bad.. can it?

going to do more research on it before I decide whether or not I’ll get the speeduino or save a couple hundred more for a ms2 at the least

It is junk!
There, I said something negative. :)

but seriously: there are already enough issues we need to flesh out and resolve with the known ms units, cheap janky alternatives add that many more issues that you'd then have to resolve or simply live with.

Miridion 05-08-2018 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1480950)
It is junk!
There, I said something negative. :)

but seriously: there are already enough issues we need to flesh out and resolve with the known ms units, cheap janky alternatives add that many more issues that you'd then have to resolve or simply live with.

There it is :rofl:
I was a put off almost right away by the lack of any type of current knowledge. One of those too good to he true sorta things

18psi 05-08-2018 11:27 AM

Back in the day when there wasn't even such a thing as pnp ms, and the DIYPNP for 99+ was still swimming in it's fathers loins, we "pioneered" the early adaptronic e420 on a Miata.

Let me tell you, the absolute worst feeling in the world is having a ton of issues, and having NO ONE out there that has already got it running perfect able to help you or even compare notes with.

It's the worst. You are entirely on your own. What takes hours/minutes to figure out will take days/weeks/months because you got nothing to start from or game plan to work with.

ryansmoneypit 05-08-2018 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1480937)
Unsure if i should laugh or cry. Or be with you or against you. Please advise! <3 :bowrofl:

well crap. All the things autocorrect corrects, and does not.....

Monk 05-08-2018 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by Miridion (Post 1480939)
I was just looking at more options that I ran into on a Facebook page.

Facebook car pages are where the devil makes potty.

Miridion 07-08-2018 01:30 PM

Big update!
So as of recently I’ve been working on making my car cleaner and better than it has been before.
After a major oil leak from the CAS that led to me getting smoked out on the interstate, I decided enough was enough and pulled the engine for a full refresh and cleaning.
However, that was two months to three months ago. :bowrofl:
But after about 7 hours of work spread over a month, I got the engine out by my self in my little garage with a harbor freight hoist that I borrowed from a coworker.

I recently aquired a NA8 parts car that I robbed the transmission and open 1.8 differential from (no engine,boooo) and swapped the whole thing into the car.
Right now as of late I just got the engine back in with the help of my local miata guru, and I’m starting to put things back together, so here is the pictures of my progress!

Edit: I’m not sure how to add pictures on mobile so I’ll add pictures when I get to my computer

Miridion 08-17-2018 09:40 AM

Is there anyway this post can be moved to the build thread sub-forum?


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