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levnubhin 10-05-2009 09:39 PM

NB HVAC in an NA
 
So I'm swapping an 99 interior into my NA (I know the dash is heavier) but I'm stuck with wiring the HVAC. I found this thread on m.net but I just don't understand it. Hopefully someone here does.

NB HVAC controls INSTALLED in NA - MX-5 Miata Forum
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levnubhin 10-05-2009 10:35 PM

So far I've got the lights to work and the fan to work in all 4 speeds. The a/c compressor isn't kicking on though.
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Ben 10-05-2009 10:39 PM

The a/c switch completes a ground. Add a ground jumper and see what happens.

levnubhin 10-05-2009 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 464091)
The a/c switch completes a ground. Add a ground jumper and see what happens.



To which of the 3 wires? There's a pink, black/blue and blue/yellow one.
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neogenesis2004 10-05-2009 10:48 PM

Hablas espanol?

y8s 10-05-2009 10:54 PM

http://neomiata.com/garage/1999_Miat...20Diagrams.pdf

page 2. nothing goes directly to gnd. they are all interlocked.

levnubhin 10-05-2009 11:30 PM

I'm stumped. The directions on m.net say to connect AP5 to BP3, but there is no P3 if I'm looking at it correctly.
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Ben 10-06-2009 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 464097)
http://neomiata.com/garage/1999_Miat...20Diagrams.pdf

page 2. nothing goes directly to gnd. they are all interlocked.

True. But if you follow the diagram, the Pink is V+ for the a/c on LED and is hot key-on. When you push the a/c button, the pink and the black/blue are connected to blue/yellow. blue/yellow is a (shitty) ground.

levnubhin 10-06-2009 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 464171)
True. But if you follow the diagram, the Pink is V+ for the a/c on LED and is hot key-on. When you push the a/c button, the pink and the black/blue are connected to blue/yellow. blue/yellow is a (shitty) ground.

According to the instructions on m.net the blue/yellow wire needs to go through a diode, should I still try grounding it?
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y8s 10-06-2009 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 464171)
True. But if you follow the diagram, the Pink is V+ for the a/c on LED and is hot key-on. When you push the a/c button, the pink and the black/blue are connected to blue/yellow. blue/yellow is a (shitty) ground.

confusing at the least because there's two blu/yel and one goes to a 30A fan fuse!?

but yeah it looks like the Blu/yel out of the AC circuit goes to ground via the fan speed switch.

ben, do you call it shitty because it only goes directly to gnd in fan 1, otherwise it's thru a resistor?

Ben 10-06-2009 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 464196)
According to the instructions on m.net the blue/yellow wire needs to go through a diode, should I still try grounding it?


That makes sense. No, don't touch the blu/ylw

Ground the blk/blu and the a/c comp should kick on. Ground the pink and the diode should light up.

Ben 10-06-2009 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 464206)
confusing at the least because there's two blu/yel and one goes to a 30A fan fuse!?

but yeah it looks like the Blu/yel out of the AC circuit goes to ground via the fan speed switch.

ben, do you call it shitty because it only goes directly to gnd in fan 1, otherwise it's thru a resistor?

Took me a minute to find what you're looking at. Yes, you are correct. There are (2) blue/yellow wires that provide power to relays. We're ignoring those. The blue/yellow wire we're looking at is between the a/c button and the fan switch. It's the ground for the a/c switch, run through the fan speed controller as an AND gate. For a/c to activate, the button must be depressed AND the fan speed controller must not be in the off position.

And phil, yes, you will need a diode on this blue/yellow.

levnubhin 10-06-2009 10:18 AM

Shit, I was wrong. If I'm reading the instructions right the diode is supposed to be on the blk/blue wire.
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Ben 10-06-2009 10:24 AM

The purpose of the diode is to prevent the blower motor from grounding through the a/c amp, so it wouldn't matter which wire you put it on.

levnubhin 10-06-2009 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 464227)
The purpose of the diode is to prevent the blower motor from grounding through the a/c amp, so it wouldn't matter which wire you put it on.

So which wire should I ground?
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Ben 10-06-2009 10:28 AM

To test operation? Ground the black/blue.

BTW, I'm looking at the 99 schematic.

levnubhin 10-06-2009 10:36 AM

A refers to the plug on the car-side of the harness.
B refers to the NB pigtail.

A-P1 -- AC3 & B-P4 (fan speed 1)
A-P2 -- B-P5 (fan speed 2)
A-P3 -- AC1
A-P4 -- diode* (inline) to AC2
A-P5 -- B-P3 My problem is here, there is no P3 on the plug that goes to the HVAC

A-S1 -- B-S2 (fan speed 3)
A-S2 -- B-S3 (fan speed 4)
A-S3 -- B-S1 (ground)

L1 -- B-P1
L2 -- B-P2
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levnubhin 10-06-2009 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 464230)
To test operation? Ground the black/blue.

BTW, I'm looking at the 99 schematic.


Even with the Diode on it? The dash and HVAC I have are from a 99.
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Ben 10-06-2009 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 464233)
A refers to the plug on the car-side of the harness.
B refers to the NB pigtail.

A-P1 -- AC3 & B-P4 (fan speed 1)
A-P2 -- B-P5 (fan speed 2)
A-P3 -- AC1
A-P4 -- diode* (inline) to AC2
A-P5 -- B-P3 My problem is here, there is no P3 on the plug that goes to the HVAC

A-S1 -- B-S2 (fan speed 3)
A-S2 -- B-S3 (fan speed 4)
A-S3 -- B-S1 (ground)

L1 -- B-P1
L2 -- B-P2

This is gibberish. Needs pictures.

levnubhin 10-06-2009 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben (Post 464237)
This is gibberish. Needs pictures.

1st pic is the NA pig tail, second two plug into the NB HVAC. The 3 wire plug is the a/c button.

Attachment 203354

Attachment 203355

Attachment 203356
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