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Vitruvio74 01-06-2015 03:54 AM

New AFM killer
 
From German miata forum


mx-5.net - die Diskussionsforen von www.mx-5.de - Anzeige des Themas #51372 - Luftmassenmessung im 1.6er NA - Interesse?

I's a simple project to delete the old flow meter with a new MAF

Vitruvio74 01-06-2015 03:56 AM

2 Attachment(s)
The electronic project

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1420534619

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1420534619

Vitruvio74 01-06-2015 03:58 AM

2 Attachment(s)
The box with the connectors

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1420534734

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1420534734

Vitruvio74 01-06-2015 04:00 AM

2 Attachment(s)
The new MAF (from wv golf IV)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1420534858


On the 1.8 air box

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1420534858

Vitruvio74 01-06-2015 04:02 AM

1 Attachment(s)
The installation

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1420534962

Vitruvio74 01-06-2015 04:05 AM

1 Attachment(s)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1420535106


A project really nice, if you want to infomation contact MX5gn in german forum

olderguy 01-06-2015 10:04 AM

Looks nice. I cannot read German, is he selling them?

shuiend 01-06-2015 10:11 AM

What is the point? Install MS, use MAP, PROFIT?

thirdgen 01-06-2015 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1194091)
What is the point? Install MS, use MAP, PROFIT?

I was thinking the exact same thing, but whatever you're into I guess.

olderguy 01-06-2015 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1194091)
What is the point? Install MS, use MAP, PROFIT?

Point is; there are a LOT of Miatas out there that have not been boosted and the main failure point in a pre '94 control circuit is the mechanical AFM.

A rebuilt AFM is close to $300 and not reliable.

Even in the turbo world, there are some of us that prefer to keep it simple, albeit we don't get to tweak and tune to maximum power.

Vitruvio74 01-06-2015 11:31 AM

Yes is for sale, little price.
I bought one a few days ago, has not yet arrived.

Utilities?
A original engine "breathe" better, gain of 2-3 hp at high revs (as when using the afm of rx7).
More air flow ... more power :)

olderguy 01-06-2015 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Vitruvio74 (Post 1194107)
Yes is for sale, little price.
I bought one a few days ago, has not yet arrived.

Utilities?
A original engine "breathe" better, gain of 2-3 hp at high revs (as when using the afm of rx7).
More air flow ... more power :)

What kind of pricing?

cyotani 01-06-2015 06:16 PM

Does anyone know if the 1.8 MAF is an analog or a frequency based MAF?

Vitruvio74 01-06-2015 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by olderguy (Post 1194225)
What kind of pricing?


around 50 euro + shipmet, is very low cost :)

m00se 01-08-2015 07:28 AM

Most user of the german mx5 board don't want megasquirt because they think it's not worth it on a N/A application. They experiment a lot with modifications like this one because it's relatively easy and doesn't involve a lot of tuning. Also you need to have it inspected by the TUEV to get it street legal and while a few companies work together with the TUEV engineers to be able to certify a ms most people consider them illegal and don't want to bother with it. The funny part is, while the AFM modification may be not too flashy in a stock looking engine bay it's illegal too because you changed emission relevant parts :D

Joe Perez 01-08-2015 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by cyotani (Post 1194227)
Does anyone know if the 1.8 MAF is an analog or a frequency based MAF?

The MAF sensors in all '94 - '05 Miatas have a 0-5v analog output.

olderguy 01-08-2015 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1194569)
The MAF sensors in all '94 - '05 Miatas have a 0-5v analog output.

Joe, have you looked at the circuit posted? Thoughts?

Joe Perez 01-08-2015 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by olderguy (Post 1194574)
Joe, have you looked at the circuit posted? Thoughts?

Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. U1 is a microprocessor which is taking in the analog signal from the MAF on pin 23, and using either a lookup table or some formula to output an inverted analog signal on pin 15 via T2. (It's also driving a relay to trigger the fuel pump, presumably when MAF > nothing.)

Not sure what the cute little arrangement at pins 20 & 21 is about, but I assume it's there for a reason. Aside from that, nothing much else to it.

I'm a little surprised that the CPU isn't taking in an IAT signal, as I would have thought that it would be helpful in correcting from mass to volume, but then I admit that when I implemented this same concept in software back around '06 or so with the Greddu EMU, I didn't use IAT either (admittedly, I was using MAP/RPM rather than MAF as my input.)

I'm sure it'll work just fine, and you're right in that it's probably time for a circuit like this to exist, as working VAF sensors are going to start getting hard to find.

olderguy 05-08-2015 03:07 PM

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE
 
I bought one to try. Very professionally done. Works great.

Much more economical than replacing a defective AFM and restricts the airflow less on an 89~93 NA or Turbo where the AFM hasn't been eliminated.

Using an early 1.8 air box, it almost looks stock.

wannafbody 05-08-2015 11:58 PM

Link?


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