Nurburgring trip
04-04-2013, 08:25 PM
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Suzuki Swift battle on a cold track
This video is why we went.
Ice cold track, actually snowing as we roll out. Me driving the camera car with William riding. Sonny driving the blue Swift with Zhong riding. I think those two laps were about the most fun I've had outside of racing, ever. Epic.
Ice cold track, actually snowing as we roll out. Me driving the camera car with William riding. Sonny driving the blue Swift with Zhong riding. I think those two laps were about the most fun I've had outside of racing, ever. Epic.
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04-05-2013, 05:19 AM
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Very nice driving as expected. I see some hessitation down Füchsröhre where you can drive flat out in a straight line and do the braking after the left turn (if you feel lucky).
Be very carefull in the fast left before Hohe Acht. You can cut over curbs before Wipperman.
Do not try to showoff at Brünchen as it will be very well documented if you da a fast early apex and crashes into the armco, on both sides. You should be able to brake after the jump at Pflanzgarten but make sure the car has settled as the ABS will be confused = brown pants. Its flat out across a series of blind kinks between Pflanzgarten2 and Shvalbenschwanz.
Have you recorded any BTG times ?
Be very carefull in the fast left before Hohe Acht. You can cut over curbs before Wipperman.
Do not try to showoff at Brünchen as it will be very well documented if you da a fast early apex and crashes into the armco, on both sides. You should be able to brake after the jump at Pflanzgarten but make sure the car has settled as the ABS will be confused = brown pants. Its flat out across a series of blind kinks between Pflanzgarten2 and Shvalbenschwanz.
Have you recorded any BTG times ?
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04-05-2013, 12:25 PM
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don't forget in the video. that was their 2nd lap ever at the Ring.....
it was snowing and frosting just earlier, weather hovered around 0 degree all day. track just opened 20 minutes prior, so there were a lot of tip toe'ing.....
can't do a BTG time, as this was VLN config.
it was snowing and frosting just earlier, weather hovered around 0 degree all day. track just opened 20 minutes prior, so there were a lot of tip toe'ing.....
can't do a BTG time, as this was VLN config.
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04-05-2013, 01:28 PM
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Arild,
The second and slightly faster lap in that video was something like a 12:00 I think (full VLN). Still damp areas and black ice off line. So yes, we were very tentative. As you know, we can not drop wheels at the ring when its damp, and still very risky in the dry. That's why I was dabbing the brakes and jerking the wheel in the straights to see what the grip was like. The tires barely came up to temp on the first lap and would cool down on every long straight. Leaving Bergwerk on the 2nd lap we had a little grip but it was gone by the time we reached the karussell and had to warm them again for the first few turns afterward. Sketchy! When the track dried out a bit later on we all got down into the 11:07~11:15 range for the VLN course. We ran with a passenger all day. Best guess would be Sonny's one lap without a passenger at an estimated 8:44 BTG. That's allowing 1:55 for GP "sprint" course and 27s for gantry to bridge, ~185kph or so in the Swifts. Still pretty slow but they only had maybe another 10-15s in perfect conditions according to Dale.
They had so much grip and so little power that huge sections were done flat in 5th with maybe a tiny lift here and there once it dried out.
Qiddelbacher to Aremberg flat
Kallenhard to Wehrseifen tiny lift in middle of right
Galgenkopf flat with catching air exiting mini Karussell (woot!)
Small lift exiting Pflanzgarten I then flat to entry of ScwalbenSchwanz
Next time we go back and drive something with some power and have to use the brakes we'll have to learn it all over
For those of you that have not driven the ring, I highly recommend doing at least half day in something slow like the Swifts to learn it faster. Some of those blind bends done flat in 5th were ah, character building. My favorite was the fast downhill left - right chicane just after exiting Kallenhard. Spooky best describes it.
The second and slightly faster lap in that video was something like a 12:00 I think (full VLN). Still damp areas and black ice off line. So yes, we were very tentative. As you know, we can not drop wheels at the ring when its damp, and still very risky in the dry. That's why I was dabbing the brakes and jerking the wheel in the straights to see what the grip was like. The tires barely came up to temp on the first lap and would cool down on every long straight. Leaving Bergwerk on the 2nd lap we had a little grip but it was gone by the time we reached the karussell and had to warm them again for the first few turns afterward. Sketchy! When the track dried out a bit later on we all got down into the 11:07~11:15 range for the VLN course. We ran with a passenger all day. Best guess would be Sonny's one lap without a passenger at an estimated 8:44 BTG. That's allowing 1:55 for GP "sprint" course and 27s for gantry to bridge, ~185kph or so in the Swifts. Still pretty slow but they only had maybe another 10-15s in perfect conditions according to Dale.
They had so much grip and so little power that huge sections were done flat in 5th with maybe a tiny lift here and there once it dried out.
Qiddelbacher to Aremberg flat
Kallenhard to Wehrseifen tiny lift in middle of right
Galgenkopf flat with catching air exiting mini Karussell (woot!)
Small lift exiting Pflanzgarten I then flat to entry of ScwalbenSchwanz
Next time we go back and drive something with some power and have to use the brakes we'll have to learn it all over
For those of you that have not driven the ring, I highly recommend doing at least half day in something slow like the Swifts to learn it faster. Some of those blind bends done flat in 5th were ah, character building. My favorite was the fast downhill left - right chicane just after exiting Kallenhard. Spooky best describes it.
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04-05-2013, 06:06 PM
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Me, maybe 75 laps in rFactor
Zhong, lots
William a dozen or so laps on sims just before we left the US
It helps if you generally learn tracks quickly which Sonny and I both do well. To be fair, none of us were driving 10/10ths. Penalties for small mistakes on the Nordschleife can be huge. A good driver can get to 8/10 with just a lap or two. 9/10 takes a dozen or so. Most of the locals will tell you getting a 10/10 lap there takes hundreds of laps. I would tend to agree. I drove well within my personal limits. First time I drove Chuckwall for example, i was 9/10 by 4 laps and 10/10ths by second session. No penalties = very brave
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04-05-2013, 06:19 PM
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That last lap was fantastic, imho. ***** out in every corner. Close call at Brunchen. It is obvious that you guys have a lot of racing experience being able to pull off laps like this on the first day driving the 152+F1 corners of the Ring. Hats off.
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04-06-2013, 01:54 AM
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Penalties for small mistakes on the Nordschleife can be huge. A good driver can get to 8/10 with just a lap or two. 9/10 takes a dozen or so. Most of the locals will tell you getting a 10/10 lap there takes hundreds of laps. I would tend to agree. I drove well within my personal limits. First time I drove Chuckwall for example, i was 9/10 by 4 laps and 10/10ths by second session. No penalties = very brave
A friend of mine with good trackday experience (I think something like 40 events with is miata and 20 or more laps on the ring) totally destroyed his miata with one single little mistake on the ring...
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04-12-2013, 04:57 PM
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Germany's Nurburgring racetrack closed after vandals paint 30ft ***** on tarmac | Mail Online
After you guys left, right?
After you guys left, right?
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