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spitefulcheerio 09-17-2012 07:44 PM

Project NB Racekor
 
Hey there guys, I come to you today to express my joy in being GarageStar's first east coast sponsorship with my BRG 2001 SE Miata! Many, many thanks to Ken at GS for this opportunity. This build thread will be a log of my past/present/future modifications and racing exeperince.

First up, the mods:

- tokico illuminas coupled with FM springs: when I was installing these I found out that 2 out of 4 of my stock shocks were blown. These have been wonderful shocks/springs to daily drive and autocross on

- true cold air intake: I cut the area out behind the dirver side headlight and ran a 2.75" intake pipe into the area behind the passenger side fog light. I also removed the fog lights from the car! A live data scangauge confirmed drastically reduced IATs.

- eBay longtube header with a 2.25" spec miata style exhaust: I love the sound and the power gain. Some say exhaust and intake mods don't do much for N/A apps but I felt a noticeable difference.

- TR Motorsports C1s (NOT THE Ms), 15x7, wrapped in RS3s: we all know what this setup does for a miata. Oh man....oh man.....looooove it.

- Axxis Ultimate pads, SS lines, SuperBlue fluid and a master cylinder brace: my pedal feel and stopping distane are greatly improved over stock. I even threw and SS line on my clutch and poured blue in there.

- GarageStar cooling plate: I was having issues with the summer Florida heat and autocross. This cooling plate made my standard temp gauge position go from 12 o clock to 11 just like that!

- MiataRoadster short shifter & Blox gold shift knob: I bought the tall/angled version with the delrin shift bushing. Crisp, responsive and fatastic to use.

- Nardi Gara 3 with a Daikei Boss hub: looks great, lightweight, strong hub. I love looking at it everyday

- Bride VIOS III rep: stable and really helped with my car control.

- weight reduction: a diet! Something every miata should go on. My car is significantly lighter than stock and its very noticeable

I could go on and on and on about the little things I've done here and there but it'll get boring after awhile haha.

On to the race record!

I have owned this car since April of 2011 and have competed in 12 autocrosses with the Dixie Region of the SCCA. I've competed in C Stock, STR and CSP and come away with seven 1st place, two 2nd place and three 3rd place finishes. I've only done one HPDE so far. I'm using autocross to ultimately learn my car and prepare for some track day fun. I have a race coming up this Sunday and hope to finish 1st in CSP again! Two more 1st place finishes and I'll snag the Driver of the Year Award!!

Future plans include: removing the car from DD duties and stripping it, full cage, ITBs, coils, DOT slicks, sways matched to the coil spring rates and some interesting pieces that you'll all know about it the future! oh and of course I hope to represent the GarageStar name with pride!! Stay tuned for updates everyone.

18psi 09-17-2012 07:50 PM

Are you sure you meant to post this on MT and not clubroadster?

spitefulcheerio 09-17-2012 07:58 PM

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I intended to post it everywhere! I've already been laughed out of build thread on my local forum and I want to share my car with as many people as possible! I don't want any ill will :(

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1347926280

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1347926280

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1347926280

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1347926280

2ndGearRubber 09-17-2012 08:12 PM

Holy body roll. Does garage star sell any actual "performance" parts?

spitefulcheerio 09-17-2012 08:16 PM

Lightweight pullies, fender braces, (technically) seat rails, and some other stuff coming out in the future that I can't really talk about!

viperormiata 09-17-2012 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 927953)
Lightweight pullies

If you have a lightweight crank pulley on your car, remove it immediately

Otherwise, nice car. Skip the ITB's and go turbo. ITB's will cost $$$$ and net you maybe 10hp and a shit ton of idle and drivability issues.

Joe Perez 09-17-2012 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by 2ndGearRubber (Post 927952)
Holy body roll. Does garage star sell any actual "performance" parts?


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 927953)
Lightweight pullies, fender braces, (technically) seat rails, and some other stuff coming out in the future that I can't really talk about!

So, that's the long way of saying "No, they do not" I assume?

spitefulcheerio 09-17-2012 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by viperormiata (Post 927957)
If you have a lightweight crank pulley on your car, remove it immediately

Otherwise, nice car. Skip the ITB's and go turbo. ITB's will cost $$$$ and net you maybe 10hp and a shit ton of idle and drivability issues.

Good thing both Ken and I know a lot about miatas lol

Water pump, alternator and power steering pullies but thank you for your concern!

I love ITBs!!! And I can always throw a turbo at a car with ITBs ;)

soviet 09-18-2012 12:03 AM

So how does it feel to drive a slow, ugly car?

pusha 09-18-2012 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 927948)

Do you have a gold tooth to match all that bullshit?


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 927963)
I love ITBs!!! And I can always throw a turbo at a car with ITBs ;)

You realize that this isn't a tool you can use when upgrading your car, right?

hustler 09-18-2012 12:48 AM

Lol @ ebay build.

Pitlab77 09-18-2012 07:39 AM

:giggle:


BTW if you are overheating at autox you have other problems. (I am in Texas heat which is worse.)

2ndGearRubber 09-18-2012 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Pitlab77 (Post 928075)
:giggle:


BTW if you are overheating at autox you have other problems. (I am in Texas heat which is worse.)

Problem solved by......... super awesome garage star cooling plate!

IE: piece of sheet metal.

spitefulcheerio 09-18-2012 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 928029)
So how does it feel to drive a slow, ugly car?

It feels pretty nice to drive my slow car fast! I managed to beat a Mazdaspeed Miata in a drag race so that made me feel like one of the cool kids.

Having an ugly car just makes it that much more fun when I win my class at autox.


Originally Posted by pusha (Post 928030)
Do you have a gold tooth to match all that bullshit?



You realize that this isn't a tool you can use when upgrading your car, right?

You've never heard of ITBs + turbo? Come on. Its not that hard to do.


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 928036)
Lol @ ebay build.

Lol @ *college lyfe build. I'm pretty sure I only have one eBay part though and the other options net a whopping 1-2hp for at least $300 more than what I paid for mine.


Originally Posted by Pitlab77 (Post 928075)
:giggle:


BTW if you are overheating at autox you have other problems. (I am in Texas heat which is worse.)

It wasnt overheating...just running hotter than normal. Like only a little hotter. It wasn't cause for concern! I just happened to notice it didn't do it anymore after the cooling plate. Getting more air to flow through the radiator is always a good thing :D

Braineack 09-18-2012 09:03 AM

why is this car "sponsored"?

viperormiata 09-18-2012 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928094)
You've never heard of ITBs + turbo?

I am so sick and tired of hearing about this ITB+turbo bull shit. Think about....really hard. ITB's are a gimmick in the first place. Besides revving for bros in the parking lot, they do nearly nothing. 10-15hp gain at best on a stock head. Add head work into it and you're near the price of a turbo system that will make more power and torque across the powerband and be more reliable than a ITB car.

The throttle body is a point of restriction under boost, now you want to add FOUR points of restriction under boost thinking it will somehow make everything better. I mean, besides adding horrible idle, sync issues, etc...

You're also adding a plenum over the throttle bodies.......come on.


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928094)
Its not that hard to do

Then do it. Seriously.

Braineack 09-18-2012 11:36 AM

4 small TBs would be less of a restriction than 1 large TB.

soviet 09-18-2012 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928094)
It feels pretty nice to drive my slow car fast! I managed to beat a Mazdaspeed Miata in a drag race so that made me feel like one of the cool kids.

Mazdaspeed makes a whooping 150whp. They are hardly the cool kids.


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928094)
Having a ugly slow car just makes it that much more fun when I win my class at autox me try to justify having a slow car.

ftfy.


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928094)
You've never heard of ITBs + turbo? Come on. Its not that hard to do.

Sure! But judging by your car you don't have the fabrication skills to do it or the money to pay someone to do it for you :fael:

viperormiata 09-18-2012 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 928175)
4 small TBs would be less of a restriction than 1 large TB.

I highly, highly doubt that. Even if that were the case, you'd still be forced to put a plenum over the throttles and deal with the ITB sync issues, idle issues, etc..

spitefulcheerio 09-18-2012 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 928175)
4 small TBs would be less of a restriction than 1 large TB.

Thank you, Brain. My ultimate goals with ITBs are increased throttle response, decreased restriction over a single TB, and a properly designed plenum to deliver equal air to each TB


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 928202)
Mazdaspeed makes a whooping 150whp. They are hardly the cool kids.


ftfy.


Sure! But judging by your car you don't have the fabrication skills to do it or the money to pay someone to do it for you :fael:

Obvious joke was obvious. I know MSMs aren't much to talk about.

I enjoy your shit talking :) what is it exactly you do with you car?

Again I'm enjoying what you have to say about me and my build. Don't assume you know everything about my car and me from what I've posted in this thread.

Braineack 09-18-2012 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928218)
Thank you, Brain. My ultimate goals with ITBs are increased throttle response, decreased restriction over a single TB, and a properly designed plenum to deliver equal air to each TB


increased throttle response is a makes-me-feel-warm-and-fuzzy-inside-placebo for slow-car syndrome.

gorillazfan1023 09-18-2012 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928218)
I enjoy your shit talking :) what is it exactly you do with you car?

Lol don't even try and compete with soviet's car.

m2cupcar 09-18-2012 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 928220)
increased throttle response...

u crazy- it's been proven to work just as well as shortened IC pipes at any cost :giggle: ;)

Braineack 09-18-2012 01:21 PM

I could add 17' of intercooler pipes and my throttle repsonse would not be negated.

Fireindc 09-18-2012 01:28 PM

I hate to see all the bashing, but it's not completely unfounded. You can still redeem yourself by building a nice solid track car that works and performs. If its got function and form I can dig, although I must say the gold isn't too good looking so far. You need a dildo shift knob to go with it, :giggle:

I'm sure this thread will be entertaining either way, but I hope OP delivers. Who is garagestar? From reading this thread it sounds like some kind of hipster hardparking company.

3rdCarMX5 09-18-2012 01:33 PM

I can't help myself. No rollbar, ITB dreams, glue on ironic gold embellishments and "sponsorships". I await the 86 page thread on CR, where photos taken of GSXR throttle bodies using PBR cans and fixies as a backdrop are "updates".

How did you get 244 posts and learn nothing?

Keep on driving, hopefully someday you'll look back on this self promotion with a little awareness and laugh.

soviet 09-18-2012 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928218)
Thank you, Brain. My ultimate goals with ITBs are increased throttle response, decreased restriction over a single TB, and a properly designed plenum to deliver equal air to each TB

So, how do you plan on actually doing this? Do you know how to weld aluminium or $xxxx laying around?


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928218)
I enjoy your shit talking :) what is it exactly you do with you car?

I break things and talk shit - my car is on jackstands :)

spitefulcheerio 09-18-2012 01:44 PM

All im hearing is a whole bunch of meh. Its a work in progress and is far from complete. Keep hating all you want. I'm not one to be upset by something so petty. I appreciate any positive comments received :)

soviet 09-18-2012 02:08 PM

all i keep hearing is ITB + Turbo dreams without any knowledge about ITBs -or- turbos and justification for having a slow ass car.

meanwhile....

pusha 09-18-2012 02:25 PM

OP is a Trayvon

Joe Perez 09-18-2012 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928240)
Keep hating all you want.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1347995278

G3ML1NGZ 09-18-2012 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928218)
I enjoy your shit talking :) what is it exactly you do with you car?
.

I lol'd

Sweetie, you have nothing to back up your claims, most your parts do almost nothing and ITB's are not going to do much for your car. Now provide proof that you are this holy grail of auto-x or modifications or I'll stick it in your pooper.

You're arguing with people here that have done those mods that you dream of. Many of the more that once and more than twice. Listen to them, rather than flapping your mouth about with silly coming out of it.

spitefulcheerio 09-18-2012 03:49 PM

^u mad bro? It seems that everyone posting has a throbbing prostate that needs stimulating while I'm just chillaxing. Why everyone so mad?

I never claimed to be an autox god but you can always check out dixiescca.com for event results.

I thought build threads were supposed to be about a build...? I'm really just getting into my buildup and that's why I just started a build thread. I didn't realize build were supposed to start and end with the first post

viperormiata 09-18-2012 04:01 PM

This isn't CR. Skinny wheels + shitty suspension + gold interior + performance oil cap =/= build thread. Just about everything you've done to your car is counter productive from a "price to performance" standpoint. Also having sponsorship from a company that, apparently, doesn't actually make any parts that we can't make ourselves is not going to impress us.

Take some time and look around here. You'll be surprised what most of us can do.

pusha 09-18-2012 04:12 PM

he's sponsored and you're just jealous.

spitefulcheerio 09-18-2012 04:30 PM

When did I ever say I doubted any of you? I've been lurking this site for over a year and seen a lot of great cars that made me super jealous. Like i said, I'm really just starting my build.

soviet 09-18-2012 04:39 PM

Example of autocross cars we care about:
https://www.miataturbo.net/race-prep...inished-64064/
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1331173968
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1331173968

Example of autocross cars we don't care about:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1347926280

spitefulcheerio 09-18-2012 04:49 PM

We all have to start somewhere. Sorry for misinterpreting the point of a build thread.

I hope to have a car like that one day. At 22 years old, paying my way through college, and working a part time job; I think I'm doing pretty well for myself

Pitlab77 09-18-2012 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by 2ndGearRubber (Post 928088)
Problem solved by......... super awesome garage star cooling plate!

IE: piece of sheet metal.

IE: should not overheat without a piece of metal in the first place even in TX middle of August heat period!

viperormiata 09-18-2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928342)
We all have to start somewhere. Sorry for misinterpreting the point of a build thread.

I hope to have a car like that one day. At 22 years old, paying my way through college, and working a part time job; I think I'm doing pretty well for myself

I gotta say, you are taking the heat pretty well. Most noobs won't even post again after that.

Now we have to make you understand that you NEED to turbo your car and that you don't spend $3,000 for a 145whp ITB setup unless you enjoy phallic shaped foods more than you should.

We all start from somewhere.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1348007720

spitefulcheerio 09-18-2012 07:24 PM

I'll take that as a compliment! Its not a big deal to me if people don't like what I'm doing with the car.

Who knows. Maybe I will go turbo, maybe I wont. My next step is a Brain MS3 and getting used to tuning it. Then what happens next is a toss up. I like ITBs but know turbo is more worth the money. I'll just keep doing my thing

curly 09-18-2012 08:35 PM

I don't understand this.

I get that GarageStar wants their name out there, but are they really so ignorant to our preferences that they picked these particular cars? It's like they wanted ridicule.

pusha 09-18-2012 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928342)
We all have to start somewhere. Sorry for misinterpreting the point of a build thread.

I hope to have a car like that one day. At 22 years old, paying my way through college, and working a part time job; I think I'm doing pretty well for myself

You really need to get better at life.

gorillazfan1023 09-18-2012 10:45 PM

If you're autocrossing wouldn't ITB's put you in a class where you'll get destroyed? If you're going to get bumped into an unlimited class why not just go turbo? I mean I can throw together a low boost/awesome response kit for a couple bucks versus spending boatloads of money on ITB's...

soviet 09-18-2012 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by gorillazfan1023 (Post 928493)
If you're autocrossing wouldn't ITB's put you in a class where you'll get destroyed? If you're going to get bumped into an unlimited class why not just go turbo? I mean I can throw together a low boost/awesome response kit for a couple bucks versus spending boatloads of money on ITB's...

I briefly looked at the link he posted and there are like, 2 other drivers in his class


I have owned this car since April of 2011 and have competed in 12 autocrosses with the Dixie Region of the SCCA. I've competed in C Stock, STR and CSP and come away with seven 1st place, two 2nd place and three 3rd place finishes.
12 autocrosses, 7 x 1st, 2 x 2nd and 3 x 3rd
7 + 2 + 3 = 12.

So yeah.

Anyways, OP, we're just lubing you up for the rock bottom bitch you're going to be until you get some boost in your sphincter.

pusha 09-18-2012 11:48 PM

This kid is a dbag and I feel sorry for him.

Doppelgänger 09-19-2012 08:14 AM

Wow....it's almost like the old MT is coming around. All we're missing is the old Hussie.

I remember the days of being broke and wanting to go fast...it really clouds your judgement on what is worth the time/money and what is not. One day, mark my words, you'll realize this. You'd be better off with a JRSC kit for half the cost of what you're planning, and I'm being serious here. If you are really itching for some power under you right foot compared to what you have now, it is the quickest, least expensive way to get positive manifold pressure. This "throttle response" you speak of is really nothing special at all...if you were anywhere near to Atlanta, I'd let you take my car for a quick spin and you'd quickly see what I am talking about. Ever driven a properly turbo'd Miata? Stock turbo MSMs don't count.

If you really want to test this whole "throttle response" stuff, hook a boost/vac gauge up to your IM and go for a drive. When you are at cruising speed, smack the pedal down and watch how long it takes for the needle to stop moving (just shy of the 0 atmosphere mark). If you really think you can decrease the time it takes for that to happen, then you'll be onto something. Do some people mistake "throttle response" with making more power? The two do not go hand in hand. I really am trying to be a bit nice here and tell you from expeirence.

GeneSplicer 09-19-2012 08:35 AM

Like the military - break 'em down, then build them back up? Pics of gold tooth or fail - well, either way, gold = fail

Braineack 09-19-2012 08:38 AM

puts hair on your chest.

Leafy 09-19-2012 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by gorillazfan1023 (Post 928493)
If you're autocrossing wouldn't ITB's put you in a class where you'll get destroyed? If you're going to get bumped into an unlimited class why not just go turbo? I mean I can throw together a low boost/awesome response kit for a couple bucks versus spending boatloads of money on ITB's...

He's already in CSP so ITBs are legal. But I'm 2 seconds slower than the owner of this CSP car and I'd still crush him with it.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1348058701
Photo courtesy of eddie savage.

hustler 09-19-2012 08:46 AM

WTF is "Racekor"? Do you wear a "walking helmet"? Is your father proud of you?

hustler 09-19-2012 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by spitefulcheerio (Post 928218)
Thank you, Brain. My ultimate goals with ITBs are increased throttle response, decreased restriction over a single TB, and a properly designed plenum to deliver equal air to each TB

:hustler:

My NA shitbox motor will stay make more power, everywhere. There is already a formula for this type of glory, you're not following it.

18psi 09-19-2012 08:54 AM

OP now that the gaping is outa the way, let me give you some advice:

The reason you got gangbanged is 1st of all because of your title: sponsored by garagestar? c'mon now. Ken is cool, I've met him in person, but they don't make anything but dress up items. People will ridicule you if you advertise a piece of sheet metal used mainly as a dressup item to "lower temperatures and get the car running cooler"....Same for most of your other "mods". They're cheap ebay/knockoff stuff that no one is impressed with, and the fact that you put it up as a "RACECAR BUILD" and "SPONSORED" is an embarrassment to you and garagestar.

You seem like you can take criticism at least somewhat decently, that's good. You'll need thick skin in here with a car like that. Keep at it and (I hope) reach your goals and turbo that miata as soon as possible.

Then get rid of all the bullshit gold foil/plating/whatever it is, cause your car looks like it can't decide on whether its in a gay rap music video or trying to compete in auto-x


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 928615)
WTF is "Racekor"? Do you wear a "walking helmet"? Is your father proud of you?

Its clubricer/hipster/kewl guy talk. Its why I asked him if he meant to post this on clubretard

concealer404 09-19-2012 11:59 AM

Oh Doppelganger was right... the build thread here is WAY better.

Braineack 09-19-2012 12:03 PM

If there's anythign we are good at, it's making other people feel bad about life.

18psi 09-19-2012 12:13 PM

:giggle:

pusha 09-19-2012 12:23 PM

I'd like to increase my throttle response but I can't deal with boost lag. How can I make a lot of power AND have a linear powerband?? :x:

Leafy 09-19-2012 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by pusha (Post 928755)
I'd like to increase my throttle response but I can't deal with boost lag. How can I make a lot of power AND have a linear powerband?? :x:

BW EFR6258 with the EBC tuned to be linear.

concealer404 09-19-2012 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by pusha (Post 928755)
I'd like to increase my throttle response but I can't deal with boost lag. How can I make a lot of power AND have a linear powerband?? :x:

Holset HE351VE with an external controller mapped based on Megasquirt output for a completely flat "curve."

You can even use it for braking.

Doppelgänger 09-19-2012 01:02 PM

Don't forget the high compression pistons...


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