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cueball1 09-04-2008 06:24 PM

The starion can't be helping - 20 year old tech.

What mani, exhaust, cat, IC piping, route, etc. are you running? Pics?

The_Pipefather 09-04-2008 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by bryantaylor (Post 304280)

does charge pipe diameter affect spool? intake going into the turbo? port out the exhaust ports/mani inlet? anything worth doing?

the intake sure does. i remember testing with and without my intake assembly (stock subaru intake pipe, cheap cone filter and bypass pipe) and remember the threshold being about 250 rpm lower as well as spool being much faster in the range between 10" Hg vacuum and 2-3 psi boost.

bryantaylor 09-04-2008 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by cueball1 (Post 304594)
The starion can't be helping - 20 year old tech.

What mani, exhaust, cat, IC piping, route, etc. are you running? Pics?

ebay cast mani, 2 1/2 inch downpipe doing to a 3 inch exhaust, no cat, 2 inch hot side and 2 1/2 coming out of the intercooler. and the air filter is right on the turbo.

bryantaylor 09-04-2008 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 304588)
Gain 10-25% more power and drop spool 500-1000 RPMs.

http://books.google.com/books?id=283...um=1&ct=result

hell yeah, free bitches!

thanks man

patsmx5 09-04-2008 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by bryantaylor (Post 304642)
hell yeah, free bitches!

thanks man

That only has the first few chapters. All the good stuff is not shown. But it's a good read none the less. But all the good info you need to know is not shown. I just bought a copy of that and another book about building short blocks by the same author.

And yesterday you couldn't stop calling me a dumbass or picking over semantics.:bang:

bryantaylor 09-04-2008 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 304649)
And yesterday you couldn't stop calling me a dumbass or picking over semantics.:bang:

that's because i am a dick, lol :fawk:

miataspeed1point6 09-05-2008 01:18 AM


Originally Posted by bryantaylor (Post 304641)
and the air filter is right on the turbo.

Might want to fix that. I had mine there for a while, sucks the hot air right off the manifold. I put a 90 degree bend with the filter on the end. It made a noticeable difference in power.

JasonC SBB 09-05-2008 01:24 AM

bryan you didn't answer the Q about how much peak power you make.

bryantaylor 09-05-2008 10:42 AM

well even with my filter on the turbo, i only see a max of about 130 IAT under full boost.

jason-i have no idea how much power its making, never even touched a dyno.

JasonC SBB 09-05-2008 11:12 AM

Depending on your peak power, there may be smaller turbos that can give the same peak power, while moving your desired "jet thrust", down from 5000 RPM to 4000 RPM.:giggle:

You also didn't answer how long you've had a turbo miata.

bryantaylor 09-05-2008 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 304811)
Depending on your peak power, there may be smaller turbos that can give the same peak power, while moving your desired "jet thrust", down from 5000 RPM to 4000 RPM.:giggle:

You also didn't answer how long you've had a turbo miata.

i have been turbo for about a year now. i was actually going to go with a 16g or a standard t3, but i got such a good deal on this turbo it was impossible to pass up. real turbonetics just rebuilt for $100 :cool:

m2cupcar 09-05-2008 01:55 PM

what is "full boost"? 5psi? 15psi?

bryantaylor 09-05-2008 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 304871)
what is "full boost"? 5psi? 15psi?

right now about 12psi.

it was make just a couple of pounds in the lower rev range, but about 4300rpm or so, it just jumps 10psi instantly.

its kinda fun, its like
lag lag lag lag, .....OMG!

mikef85 09-05-2008 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by bryantaylor (Post 304876)
right now about 12psi.

it was make just a couple of pounds in the lower rev range, but about 4300rpm or so, it just jumps 10psi instantly.

its kinda fun, its like
lag lag lag lag, .....OMG!

My old setup would make 6psi from 3000 on up to about 4300. At 4300, It would almost instantly go to my boost setting...be it 15psi or 28psi. I had very little lag when I was above boost threshold.

Braineack 09-05-2008 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by bryantaylor (Post 304876)

its kinda fun, its like
lag lag lag lag, .....OMG!


http://www.boostedmiata.com/dynos/matt_vs_tim.jpg

choose your weapon.

y8s 09-05-2008 03:07 PM

jeez use my lamest run. use run 5.

JasonC SBB 09-05-2008 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by bryantaylor (Post 304848)
i have been turbo for about a year now.

Ah, so you're the newbie, dickwad. I've been turbo'ed for 10x longer than you. You just discovered the reason I advocate, for a street car, the smallest turbo that meets your realistic peak power goals. Unless your revs are always above 4500, you'll be caught flatfooted if you need power NOW.

If you do headwork or some other changes to greatly improve spoolup, you will likely spend more than the money you saved on your $100 turbo. Even then the improvements will be less than switching to a smaller a/r housing or smaller turbo.

Sell your turbo to some other sucker who wants "jet thrust" at 5000 RPM and put the money to a smaller T3. Markp's favorite T3 config is good for 300whp and spools close to a '2560.

patsmx5 09-05-2008 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 304909)
Ah, so you're the newbie, dickwad. I've been turbo'ed for 10x longer than you. You just discovered the reason I advocate, for a street car, the smallest turbo that meets your realistic peak power goals. Unless your revs are always above 4500, you'll be caught flatfooted if you need power NOW.

If you do headwork or some other changes to greatly improve spoolup, you will likely spend more than the money you saved on your $100 turbo. Even then the improvements will be less than switching to a smaller a/r housing or smaller turbo.

Sell your turbo to some other sucker who wants "jet thrust" at 5000 RPM and put the money to a smaller T3. Markp's favorite T3 config is good for 300whp and spools close to a '2560.

Mark told me all about his 300whp capable turbo. Said full boost was at 4500 RPM. I do believe most 2560's are in full boost before that. Maybe Mark needs to clear this up.

Now I understand a lot of people hate lag. I do too. However, some people hate having a motor with no "top end". I'm one of those guys. I'm gonna put a big t3/t4 on my 99' because I want some top end power. I'll take the lag for the top end power. Granted I'm going for 350whp. Still, there's probably smaller turbo's that will get me there, but I'll pass.

Braineack 09-05-2008 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 304899)
jeez use my lamest run. use run 5.


it's just to illustrate the point.

y8s 09-05-2008 04:10 PM

who's got a 2560 cheap? nobody? ever?


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