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Old 05-01-2010, 03:13 AM   #1
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Default Which roll bar to purchase?

Autopower or hard dog?

So here's my situation. I'm stuck between the autopower single diagonal w/ harness bar (3 friends currently use it and I like the way it looks) and the hard dog hard core single/double diagonal.

Through a local shop, i was quoted $595 for the autopower bar shipped with tax. vs ordering myself and costing $485 for HardDog single and $520 for the HardDog double diag.

I already have a bucket seat with an autopower 5 point harness currently attached to the stability bar behind the seat (car is a 95 na8) which is NOT safe w/o a roll bar. I have my seat pushed all the way back because i'm around 6'2". I installed the seat just so i can comfortably fit in the car without slouching to see out the windscreen, but if i flip i'm pretty much dead with this 5 point holding me in place like a child seat.

Is the hard dog the obvious choice and i'm on the fence only because my friends use autopower? or is the autopower bar a better built bar?

any opinions are welcome, as long as they're constructive, i've seen how some of you guys on miata turbo are
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Old 05-01-2010, 09:38 AM   #2
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I want a single diagnol bar as well....I think I'm going with hard dog just because thats what most people go with and I have seen a number of "saved" rollover photos with the hard dog bar.
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I've installed 5 hard dog bars, and they are an excellent product. The only other brand I would consider is BossFrog, but I haven't seen one in person. Add the door bars and profit
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The quality and finish of a harddog are unsurpassed. I don't think you would find anyone that says different.
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I'm a little over 6'2 with a 33" inseam. I did foamextomy on the drivers seat and I fit just under the hard dog hard core double diagonal non hardtop. It was super easy to install, the fit and finish were great.
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i personally prefer boss frog clearview roll bar
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i like my autopower.. dont think you can really go wrong with either one
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Where are you located? Kirk Racing in Alabama makes a nice bar, you can get a 6 pt bar for about the same as a 4 pt Hard Dog bar.
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black car - clearview boss frog
red car - hard dog



Install was pretty much identical, and a PITA.
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I have been trying to decide also but im wondering about autox requirements?

from what I could tell, the main issue is thickness of tubes, height above helmet (2") and some rearward bracing. but alot of places I looked only mentioned Hard core bars as being legal for autox. Is a clearview bossfrog legal too? because I also read something about the diagonal bars having to reach at least half way across the main hoop (which the boss frog clearview does not)

am I missing something? or are they both equally autox approved?
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am I missing something? or are they both equally autox approved?
There really isn't any such thing as "autox approved".

SCCA Solo 1 rules (which is basically time trials, not autox) specify things like height, tube thickness, attachment points. Most bolt-in Miata rollbars meet these specs, but there's no "approval" process.

Autox is SCCA Solo 2, which has no requirements for rollover protection in most classes that you'd run a Miata in.

HDHCDD in my car.

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get a hard dog hardcore double diagonal
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I bought a Hard Dog Hard Core (but ordered one from Bethania <i>without</i> the diagonal!

Great rollbar without the sacrifice to your rear window visibility!
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I just ordered a HDHCDD from Bethania a couple days ago, hoping to put it in this weekend if it arrives today! any tricks to making it a smooth install or are the instructions pretty much all I need to follow?
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I've had 3 different hard dog bars. My next one for the project will be custom built cage or another hard dog bar.

They fit well, easy to install, yada yada.
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Thanks for all the replies all, I've decided on the M1 Hardcore double diag.

I appreciate all your input.
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