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Chilicharger665 12-03-2013 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1079366)
is it?
how so?

genuinely interested

I'm sure you know it is a topless, shortened RX8 chassis. It is a lot stiffer and the wheelbase is longer, so the ride is better.

I drove an 08 and the MSM I ended up buying back to back on the same day. The MS has all the factory bracing possible, but the NC still felt way stiffer. The ride was also smoother. I also like the torque of the 2.0 it has. I was attracted to the turbo, but I genuinely wish I would have picked up the NC instead.

sixshooter 12-04-2013 08:29 AM

The RX8 rear suspension is very complex. If that is what it is then I am a little concerned. Somebody had said that the 5-speed was weak and failed if you bump the power much at all. I think it came up in that other thread that MX George was offering info in. The one with the BEGI verses the blackone guy.

JasonC SBB 12-04-2013 10:27 AM

Why is a multilink rear better than A-arms?
Don't racecar designers use A-arms even if the rules allow multilink suspensions?

Joe Perez 12-04-2013 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1079453)
Why is a multilink rear better than A-arms?

Because it allows for more compact packaging and, if so designed, can also permit independent adjustment of each suspension parameter (camber, caster, toe) without affecting the others.



Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1079453)
Don't racecar designers use A-arms even if the rules allow multilink suspensions?

Those which are not space-constrained often do, owing to the greater simplicity of the A-arm design.

Many of the higher-end car makers (Lamborghini, Porsche, Ferrari, etc) are beginning to utilize multi-link designs, as are some classes of race cars (Baja, certain rally leagues, etc) in which the benefits of the design justify the added cost and complexity.

Dunning Kruger Affect 12-04-2013 01:14 PM

Toe gain as well as camber gain under compression, significantly lighter, better packaging.

Meeners 12-04-2013 02:29 PM

No... Albeit, it's habitable, a miata is too small a space to live inside of. It would be better to move into a place with a roof.

my :2cents:

also, 69th post ftw.

wittyworks 12-04-2013 04:45 PM

Do it I need some more NC mt.net friends!

Goodwin is running a standalone, but its Motec. Ecutek flash with Racerom is a pretty good option, has switchable maps for e85 and some other options that catch it up to the new series of standalones. I would probably say get a soft top since the roll bar options fit better with the soft top, and it is lighter. If you are really going to track it often, soft top. If you will track less than 4 times a year, prht.

And I think the gear ratios are still pretty bad.

z31maniac 12-04-2013 08:47 PM

You should OP. And I have a cream puff of one I'm looking to sell between now and spring.

'06 Grand Touring (bose/leather/6spd), sport package (LSD), 43k miles.

/spam

RedCarmel 12-04-2013 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1079278)
- Why don't FM make a turbo kit for it?

Kind of curious about this myself.

JasonC SBB 12-05-2013 06:30 PM

FM say in a nutshell:
- expensive, expensive to develop, requires fab work to install, small market, and the sc kit they sell is well-developed and already makes the max power the stock motor can take

JasonC SBB 12-05-2013 06:34 PM

Given the expense I may make the move only if a turbo'ed rollbar'ed one showed up for sale.

doward 12-05-2013 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1079995)
Given the expense I may make the move only if a turbo'ed, rollbar'ed, factory hard top'ed one showed up for sale.

fixed^

JasonC SBB 12-05-2013 08:02 PM

You have one for sale?

JasonC SBB 12-05-2013 08:05 PM

I'm also now wondering about a 320 whp turbo S2000 setup....

Joe Perez 12-05-2013 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1080017)
I'm also now wondering about a 320 whp turbo S2000 setup....

Make sure that you actually go out and drive an S2000 for a long distance before getting too attached to the idea. It's a very well-built and well-mannered car, rigid as a girder, great suspension, excellent transmission, tight and responsive steering...

...and a hideously uncomfortable place for humans larger than a Japanese schoolgirl to spend any length of time sitting in. The NA's interior feels like a Lincoln Town Car as compared to an S2k. There's a reason that they didn't sell well.

18psi 12-05-2013 08:19 PM

last one I drove, an 06, felt like it was super narrower than a miata inside and actually felt more cramped than my nb.

it also felt less torquey than my stock nb.

they also get crap gas mileage, but that's off topic

z31maniac 12-05-2013 08:58 PM

I loved the S2000s I drove, I'm also 5'7-8". Much better car than an NC. I only bought an NC because an equivalent condition/Mileage NC was 60% of the cost................for a reason.

Joe Perez 12-05-2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1080032)
I loved the S2000s I drove, I'm also 5'7-8".

And I can believe this. You are literally the exact same height as an average Japanese 17 year old male.

(source: Template:Average height around the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

A former co-worker of mine (who is also below the US national average height) owns an S2K, and I have driven it on two occasions, and ridden as a passenger on many more. It is a well-designed, well-built car. It merely happens to have the most cramped interior of any motor vehicle since the Mercury space capsule.


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miata2fast 12-05-2013 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1080017)
I'm also now wondering about a 320 whp turbo S2000 setup....

Total buzz kill.

JasonC SBB 12-06-2013 10:26 AM

Interesting input on the cramped cockpit. However I'm the same height as the prototypical 17 yo Japanese male and 155 lbs.
The door bars in my NB made it feel significantly narrower...

Can anyone comment on the chassis rigidity / NVH of the S2000 vs the NC?


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