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Some Maxilube info...
I don't want anyone to think I'm spamming the forum with this product but I think maybe it could be a beneficial product for some of you guys. This product is a metal treatment and isn't used as a replacement for lubricants. It could be beneficial for engines, turbos, bearings and manual transmissions. My friend who knows the owner of the company told me that it works on sintered metal surfaces so it doesn't affect brass synchros or other non ferrous surfaces. It can also be used in automatic transmissions. The label does state not to use it in a LSD type rear end.
Anti friction metal treatment lubricants and additives for engines, gear bearings, etc. - MaxiLube.com |
gimmah a fukhun break
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Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 959618)
gimmah a fukhun break
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100% bullshit. Slick 50 in a new wrapper.
Want to buy a Chip for your mazda? ADDS (up to) 50 HORSEPOWER AND ADDS (up to) 20 MPG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 959678)
Got anything of substance to add to this thread, Mr PHD chemist? Did you see the microscopic bearing photos and the fact that it was tested at Fresno State? Look, I'm not claiming that it's a miracle in a bottle that can reverse damage but anything that can reduce friction has a benefit for a longer life cycle.
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You guys do realize what extreme pressure agents are, don't you? B&M Synthetic Trick Shift contains some type of extreme pressure agent-would you guys classify that as snake oil as well? I put Synthetic Trick Shift in my T56 and it was an improvement over the Synchromesh that was in it previously. I think many gear oils contain some type of extreme pressure additive.
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Originally Posted by 2ndGearRubber
(Post 959688)
100% bullshit. Slick 50 in a new wrapper.
Want to buy a Chip for your mazda? ADDS (up to) 50 HORSEPOWER AND ADDS (up to) 20 MPG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I don't want anyone to think I'm spamming the forum with this product |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 959751)
too late
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because no one takes this stuff seriously. kinda like electric turbochargers and performance chips that add 60hp
you're getting butthurt that people don't take it seriously, which is kinda cute. didn't you say a friend of yours works for them or something? or someone you know? |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 959749)
Any scientific evidence to support your bullshit claim?
The most compelling "evidence", was the view of two "surfaces", claimed to be a bearing. The treated surface was noticeably smoother. However, the site references using 1000X magnification. What evidence is there to show that "smoothness" at this level has any applicable affects on component life? Ideally, engine components would be polished and machined at nearly frictionless finishes. However, this is not typical, due to mass production and associated costs of machining. So, even if this product did provide a smoothing affect (and I'm not saying it doesn't), how do we know that it is "filling" enough to provide adequate protection in a modern motor? How do we know anything? We don't, and until you (or the manufacturer) can produce evidence that it does, the product is vapor-ware. Ever hear of electric superchargers, slick-50, water powered carburetors, etc.? Your claim is in the same boat. No real proof, thus, bullshit. TL;DR Zero proof exists in favor of the product, thus, until further testing is done, we must conclude that it does not have appreciable results. TL;DR/TL;DR You're trolling. Thanks. |
That's a valid point, especially in an engine, I however have a point of reference that it does indeed help. In my case I was using Amsoil MTG and was experiencing some 3rd gear issues. I put a couple ounces in the tranny and noticed an improvement. I also realized just a couple days ago that I misread something along the way and have run my tranny with only 1 quart of Amsoil MTG for the last 3 years. That's about 12,000 miles with 1 quart of Amsoil MTG.
I also realize that some people are changing their tranny fluid every 30 or so track hours. That indicates to me that the tranny gets pretty hot. If something can be added to improve that service life then it might be worth experimenting with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. After all, the same type of agents are being used in some fluids, so this isn't as much vaporwear as some would seem to think. Also, I buy my product from a friend who is a personal friend of the owner who lives in CA, I live in PA. The reality is that a 16 oz bottle the product costs roughly what someone pays for about 6 or so gallons of gas. Compared to what someone pays for gas for a track day the cost isn't extreme. lastly, I really don't care what fluids anyone runs in their Miatas. After all, these really are cheap little cars, with cheap little parts that people can replace for relatively little money. Oh, and one other thing, the product has been around for about 20 years, if it truly could be proven to be vapor-wear I'm sure someone would have sued them out of existence already. And no, I'm not trolling. I was trying to inform the community of a product that might be of some benefit. If you don't want to buy it then fine, but DON'T FUCKING ACCUSE ME OF TROLLING, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE. |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 959802)
That's a valid point, especially in an engine, I however have a point of reference that it does indeed help. In my case I was using Amsoil MTG and was experiencing some 3rd gear issues. I put a couple ounces in the tranny and noticed an improvement. I also realized just a couple days ago that I misread something along the way and have run my tranny with only 1 quart of Amsoil MTG for the last 3 years. That's about 12,000 miles with 1 quart of Amsoil MTG.
I also realize that some people are changing their tranny fluid every 30 or so track hours. That indicates to me that the tranny gets pretty hot. If something can be added to improve that service life then it might be worth experimenting with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. After all, the same type of agents are being used in some fluids, so this isn't as much vaporwear as some would seem to think. Also, I buy my product from a friend who is a personal friend of the owner who lives in CA, I live in PA. The reality is that a 16 oz bottle the product costs roughly what someone pays for about 6 or so gallons of gas. Compared to what someone pays for gas for a track day the cost isn't extreme. lastly, I really don't care what fluids anyone runs in their Miatas. After all, these really are cheap little cars, with cheap little parts that people can replace for relatively little money. Oh, and one other thing, the product has been around for about 20 years, if it truly could be proven to be vapor-wear I'm sure someone would have sued them out of existence already. And no, I'm not trolling. I was trying to inform the community of a product that might be of some benefit. If you don't want to buy it then fine, but DON'T FUCKING ACCUSE ME OF TROLLING, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE. Send your shit to blackstone with analysis of before/after. Until then, TL/DR |
Here's some more info for all you assholios who know so much-learn teh google
Extreme Pressure Agents & Antiwear Agents - Afton Chemical http://blog.sfrcorp.com/2007/06/21/e...oil-additives/ http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...98197308982710 http://www.stle.org/assets/document/...ember_2009.pdf http://www.engineersedge.com/lubrica..._additives.htm http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1974006030.pdf http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc http://torontostle.com/uploads/Addit...ar_13_2012.pdf Really, companies like Dow and Lubrizol write presentations on extreme pressure additives and you guys think it's vapor-wear. ROTFLMAO, you guys really need to grow some brain cells. |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 959802)
That's a valid point, especially in an engine, I however have a point of reference that it does indeed help. In my case I was using Amsoil MTG and was experiencing some 3rd gear issues. I put a couple ounces in the tranny and noticed an improvement. I also realized just a couple days ago that I misread something along the way and have run my tranny with only 1 quart of Amsoil MTG for the last 3 years. That's about 12,000 miles with 1 quart of Amsoil MTG.
I also realize that some people are changing their tranny fluid every 30 or so track hours. That indicates to me that the tranny gets pretty hot. If something can be added to improve that service life then it might be worth experimenting with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. After all, the same type of agents are being used in some fluids, so this isn't as much vaporwear as some would seem to think. Also, I buy my product from a friend who is a personal friend of the owner who lives in CA, I live in PA. The reality is that a 16 oz bottle the product costs roughly what someone pays for about 6 or so gallons of gas. Compared to what someone pays for gas for a track day the cost isn't extreme. lastly, I really don't care what fluids anyone runs in their Miatas. After all, these really are cheap little cars, with cheap little parts that people can replace for relatively little money. Oh, and one other thing, the product has been around for about 20 years, if it truly could be proven to be vapor-wear I'm sure someone would have sued them out of existence already. And no, I'm not trolling. I was trying to inform the community of a product that might be of some benefit. If you don't want to buy it then fine, but DON'T FUCKING ACCUSE ME OF TROLLING, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE. 1) Change out your tranny fluid. There's probably some metal flakes in there. Seriously, that's a very low fluid level, and it needs a good flush 2) Any idea if this product can even handle tranny temperatures or is compatible with tranny fluid? Your syncros work on friction, and as we learned from Hustler posting about his fail-aids "lets reduce friction to help a weak syncro" thread, reducing friction is not ideal. This may be the last type of product you'd ever want in a gear box. 3) The claimed gains of the product; such as 0.50mpg, "Up to" 40* change in engine temp, and "doubles oil life", cannot be proven. .50 mpg is a margin of error. Hell, a tank of bad gas will drop your mileage more than that. Anything with "up to" in the title means no change (or an unintended negative change) is acceptable. "Doubles oil life", to what? Unless two motors are run at identical ranges, with identical everything, it can't be proven. Thus, it can be hard to sue with these types of wiggle words. 4) I find your posts usually informative, devils-advocate-ish, and having outside the box thinking; all things I support and feel are valuable. Based on how you normally post, and the nature of the product, it comes of as a troll or a sales pitch, TO ME. Just my opinion. Not trying to piss people off, just saying it seems quite out of character. Are you trolling? Only you'd know, it just seems like a weird product to try to defend. 5) Seriously, change your trans fluid. |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 959811)
Here's some more info for all you assholios who know so much-learn teh google
Extreme Pressure Agents & Antiwear Agents - Afton Chemical Extreme pressure agents in oil additives An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie http://www.stle.org/assets/document/...ember_2009.pdf Extreme Pressure (EP) Lubrication Additives - Engineers Edge Access forbidden! http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedL...romPage=GetDoc http://torontostle.com/uploads/Addit...ar_13_2012.pdf Really, companies like Dow and Lubrizol write presentations on extreme pressure additives and you guys think it's vapor-wear. ROTFLMAO, you guys really need to grow some brain cells. Are there possible benefits? Of course. Do they necessarily apply in anyway to a consumer automobile motor, let alone the the BP family, which is about as advanced, high tech, and high strung as a cactus? I have yet to be convinced. |
"as...high strung as a cactus". Interesting choice of words.
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Originally Posted by 2ndGearRubber
(Post 959828)
Are there possible benefits? Of course. Do they necessarily apply in anyway to a consumer automobile motor, let alone the the BP family, which is about as advanced, high tech, and high strung as a cactus? I have yet to be convinced.
Ya, I did drain the fluid a few weeks ago and add fresh fluid. I still need to top it off once I get a another quart of Amsoil Magic Super Juice. And I was told Maxilube doesn't affect brass syncros. That was something that concerned me. And generally, I'm pretty laid back but if people on this site are going to turn this place into a fucking flame fest every fucking post then I might as well flame the shit out of the shitheads who pull this shit on this site. Some people on this site need a fucking shoe implanted in their down pipe. |
I could run run a collection sample from this under the confocal and pull the ANSI surface parameters (or ISO if you swing that way). And also F-test the relative area and surface complexity to see if the surfaces can actually be statistically differentiable. But its all pretty useless without knowing what surface properties are actually desirable and at what scale. Surface Metrology has been the focus of my grad research, btw.
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Stop PMing this shit to me and you won't be banned, much.
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Here's another product
OIL EXTREME "BETTER THAN SYNTHETIC" MOTOR OIL And Leafy thanks for the input, it would be interesting if anyone could find any real world data to support some of the claims being made, that being said, I'll still contend that multi-million dollar companies wouldn't be researching EP additives if they didn't think that they were beneficial in some applications. One article did state that they couldn't find a commercially available motor oil that used EP technology and that included Royal Purple. And I still stand by the comment that this site is full of shitheads and assholes, which I guess is fine if you guys want to have threads here with the average intelligence of a 3 year old's conversation. Really, the shit on this site gets old after a while. |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 959988)
Here's another product
OIL EXTREME "BETTER THAN SYNTHETIC" MOTOR OIL And Leafy thanks for the input, it would be interesting if anyone could find any real world data to support some of the claims being made, that being said, I'll still contend that multi-million dollar companies wouldn't be researching EP additives if they didn't think that they were beneficial in some applications. One article did state that they couldn't find a commercially available motor oil that used EP technology and that included Royal Purple. And I still stand by the comment that this site is full of shitheads and assholes, which I guess is fine if you guys want to have threads here with the average intelligence of a 3 year old's conversation. Really, the shit on this site gets old after a while. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 960000)
If you posted something other than marketing bullshit, we'd have something intelligent to contribute.
Ya know, your one of the biggest shitheads on this site, you don't fucking contribute a fucking thing of any value. Every thread is Hustler flaming the shit out of a newb and running them off. I'm surprised there's any sponsors left on this board. If you can't read and comprehend the links I posted then Fuck off shithead. BTW, I posted some of this info on another site and actually got some replies that were both pleasant and informative. |
Are you like having sex with these oil additives? simmer down bro.
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Aren't ZDP and whatever stuff Redline puts in shockproof, extreme pressure additives?
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 960161)
Ya know, your one of the biggest shitheads on this site, you don't fucking contribute a fucking thing of any value. Every thread is Hustler flaming the shit out of a newb and running them off. I'm surprised there's any sponsors left on this board. If you can't read and comprehend the links I posted then Fuck off shithead.
BTW, I posted some of this info on another site and actually got some replies that were both pleasant and informative. The really entertaining part about your rant is that you've provide no real data other than marketting stuff, and I've spent ~$200 on UOA among other things. You also need to relax dude, seriously. If you make another post like this again, I'm going to make grammar corrections. |
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Chill out fbody.
It's nice that you found something you think is good and wanted to share with others. The group is skeptical because the information on the product is primarily of a testimonial nature, including your own experiences. We simply prefer data. So until there is some nice, hearty data for us to consume, relax and put some chapstick on your forehead. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355846912 |
THATS THE SECRET! We just have to mix 1mL of wannafbody's fancy stuff with a gallon of regular oil. Then do that 1000x and we will have a REALLY powerful oil.
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One comment I received from another site is some EP agents are calcium based. Those type products can boost the TBN of oils making them last longer as TBN neutralizes acids.
Many gear oils have EP agents, I'm pretty sure that Redline and Amsoil have pretty good additive packs. Even cheap Supertech gear oil has some type of EP agent. Also, from what I've read, ZDDP was the antiwear oil additive for years because it was cheap and it worked well. Obviously cheap is an important part of the equation for an OTC oil as most consumers won't spend $15 for a quart of oil. |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 959988)
And I still stand by the comment that this site is full of shitheads and assholes, which I guess is fine if you guys want to have threads here with the average intelligence of a 3 year old's conversation. Really, the shit on this site gets old after a while.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 960576)
Then feel free to never post here again, or at the very least stop whining about it. You've made like three or four posts whining about people flaming you. It's not going to stop, so grow a thicker skin or go play in the shallow end.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 960576)
Then feel free to never post here again, or at the very least stop whining about it. You've made like three or four posts whining about people flaming you. We get it, you don't like some of the posters, point made. It's not going to stop, so either grow a thicker skin or go play in the shallow end.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 960581)
That's fine if that's the policy but I'll take my money and spend it with other site's sponsors. This site is a direct reflection of it's sponsors. Too bad it reflects so poorly on them. I will not buy from Trackspeed.
The bottom line is that this is the best Miata forum on the web, flame-wars and all. If you can't take the heat, though, then you should probably stay out of the kitchen. |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 960581)
That's fine if that's the policy but I'll take my money and spend it with other site's sponsors. This site is a direct reflection of it's sponsors. Too bad it reflects so poorly on them. I will not buy from Trackspeed.
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Seriously Fbuddy, you are taking the internet way too seriously. I hope you don't own an AR15.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 960601)
Seriously Fbuddy, you are taking the internet way too seriously. I hope you don't own an AR15.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 960607)
It doesn't have anything to do with me taking you too seriously, it has to do with sponsors who don't take me or my $$$$$$ seriously. :jerkit:
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 960608)
No, you're being a crybaby ------. Be a fucking man, don't lose your mind.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 960620)
I'm not crying, seems you guys are the ones bitching about me making posts that read like yours. Why can't I make posts like you? All I really want in life is to be fucking cool like Hustler-can't you guys just give me some fucking love? My self esteem is fucking crushed right now by the fucking rejection I get from you guys.:giggle:
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I fucking love you Hustler:makeout: You really are the fucking smartest person on this board. Someday I'll be just as smart as you. Gotta go, gotta read some more of Hustler's wonderfully intellectual posts.
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holy fuck must be one helluva period wannafelchbody is going through:facepalm:
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I love you too 18psi;)
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Come on man, how long have you been a member here?
These guys use track-tested products. Your lab in Fresno doesn't put that stuff through the same paces as the 949 guys just did at Thunderhill. If it really was magic superlube, every endurance racer would be using it. Bring some results and they will listen. |
Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 960685)
Come on man, how long have you been a member here?
These guys use track-tested products. Your lab in Fresno doesn't put that stuff through the same paces as the 949 guys just did at Thunderhill. If it really was magic superlube, every endurance racer would be using it. Bring some results and they will listen. One product I posted a link to is used by a Nationwide (nascar) team. I think that qualifies as track tested. |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 960956)
One product I posted a link to is used by a Nationwide (nascar) team. I think that qualifies as track tested.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 960958)
Which team and which product?
RICKAHHH BOBBBBY |
I heard a teaspoon of astroglide in your oil will free up 3 hp
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Is this considered racing?
Maxilube Engine Oil Additive - Our online offroad motorcycle and UTV parts store for all your needs An engine lasting 10 miles without oil-that's a snake oil insurance policy any engine could use. http://www.fourwheeler.com/techartic...y/viewall.html |
This thread is fucking annoying.
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Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 960965)
rrr r r
RICKAHHH BOBBBBY that just happened. |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 961022)
An engine lasting 10 miles without oil-that's a snake oil insurance policy any engine could use.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 961033)
This thread is fucking annoying.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 961022)
Is this considered racing?
Maxilube Engine Oil Additive - Our online offroad motorcycle and UTV parts store for all your needs An engine lasting 10 miles without oil-that's a snake oil insurance policy any engine could use. 19 Ways to Improve Fuel Economy - Four Wheeler Magazine My point is that anecdotal evidence is not worth shit. Until we see UOA oil analysis for it we are going to keep claiming it is snake oil. If you want to order a bottle, use it, track the car, then send the oil out for analysis by blackstone and it comes back with good results then maybe, we will think about it. |
We already said the same thing. AT least 5 times. He doesn't care about that. Its too logical. He'd rather rant about how we're all meanie weinies
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One time my car ran out of gas but kept driving....I was going down a hill.
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You should bottle that and sell it.
Call it MEGAlube |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 961072)
Oh nice! I've always wanted to run my motor without oil so my pistons overheat and it siezes up.
I've already used the product for several years, I also tracked the car, to me it's cheap extra insurance. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 960642)
holy fuck must be one helluva period wannafelchbody is going through:facepalm:
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 961126)
But they didn't, that's the point, dumbass:fawk:
I've already used the product for several years, I also tracked the car, to me it's cheap extra insurance. |
Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 961126)
But they didn't, that's the point, dumbass:fawk:
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