Spanked by an STi :jerkit:
 

Well, yesterday my plans to continue the process to more boost/power was solidified.
As of now, I've got the greddy kit still using the vortech, stock downpipe (I know, I know), custom intercooler, mbc and greddy knock off bov. Best part of the setup is the MSPNP - which I've been tweaking this past month in preparation for some real mods for some actual power, which at least has allowed me to dial in aggressive timing with my intercooler. 6ish psi right now, 5 psi at redline.

So I'm creating a 15 min log to run through VE analyzer with my friend riding shotgun, and I'm just cruising along, flooring it here, half throttle there to use as many cells as I can, and the one lane road we're on opens up to two lanes - there are a few cars around me, mostly vans and such. So the right lane is completely open, I haven't gotten a good run up to redline yet for the analyzer so I put it into 4th (cruising at 55) and just put the pedal on the floor. Car pulls well and smooth since I just finished tweaking accel enrich last week, at about 5.5k I'm getting ready to let off and get into the correct lane (need to go left). I look in my rearview for a cop check and all I see is the grill of an STi, almost to my bumper and closing! I switch lanes, still on the gas, and the thing rockets past me an then merges into the left ahead of me.

I don't know where he came from - he had to have been at least a few cars back, so in the time I covered 2k rpms in 4th he closed the ~ 50 ft distance from him to me, and passed me. Good grief. :bang:

Awaiting my 460cc injectors, then I'll get a real downpipe, delete the AFM, and crank it to 10 psi and hit up the dyno. Maybe then I'll at least be able to not be put to shame. This was an 06-07ish model.

Although... I remember pre-turbo life... anywhere but the autocross there was no point flooring the car - every mini van on the road was faster than the 1.6... so I guess I'm moving up...
-Ryan

i still wouldn't mind owning an evo as my only car.

Yea I think greddy at 5psi is not that great yet. Iv beaten all motor cars but not by far. I also need more upgrades! (exhaust mostly)

fwiw, i havent been beaten yet and im running 13psi. My kill sheet includes the following: evo, trans am, cobra mustang, and 2 srt4's

I've got to get on that train. Very nice. And with a stock exhaust? Man you've got some room to grow too ;)

Nevermind.

I have beaten stock srt4's when I was running only 5psi. But there is a world of difference between a stock Greddy setup at 5psi and my intercooled full 2.5in exhaust setup.

oh, lets not forget, a brand new gt mustang.

Wes65,
You live in BFE. Move somewhere where most of the STIs and EVOs on the street are mid 12 or better cars. :)

Frank

haha yeah, most sti's and evos here are stock.

the only thing I beat is my meat :giggle:

I can believe some of you beating stock stis and evos and such, but if an sti has a simple turboback exhaust and retune, it'll take atleast 220whp to keep up if both drivers can drive their cars.

hehe...

My kills from the last week are - Lotus Elise (from a dig), G35 with bolt ons, 4-dr teg with B18C5, 4-dr EG with H22, Supercharged Z3 2.8(?), and some Mustang. I did race my friends GTO (read- over 400 rwhp) and from 40-90 he was only about 1-1.5 cars ahead. NOt bad for my little 250rwhp.

Haven't really gotten to play with any STi/WRX/Evo cars at all really...

your car doesn't look like a shopping cart, therefore you won in the end.

Sti with turboback and reflash=300whp?

Usually 270whp on a dyno that reads a stock sti at 210-220whp.

I only know this from experience. Doing a HP/weight calculation the whp necessary for the miata seems to be a bit lower, but I have personally done this multiple times at lots of varying speeds, both on a race track and on the street.

The only WRX I've ever lost to was a 312whp car (100whp more than stock). Built STI block, FMIC, 20g. I was at 15psi. Stage 2 cars can keep up with me, stock cars are lunchmeat.

Really how much did you lose to the 312 whp car by?

My pals 2.0 wrx just dyno'd 314whp with an 18g this last weekend, and that thing is fucking fast. Id love to be able to keep up, but i doubt it for a while. I was thinking 250whp might put me close.



The launch in the vid was shitty and it launches much better than that now, was his first time and he slipped the clutch too hard. He hates me for including that in the video, but fuck if im going to take it out now.

The car at the very end is the guy who tuned his car, Cameron. 450whp

wow 314 on the 2.0L. Definitely impressive to see 20psi on a stock engine. Is that getting to the limits of stock components (driveline, engine)? What kind of dough does it take to get a wrx to that point?

Alot of money, haha. He has every bolt on imaginable(still top mount IC, just a larger one), a built 5 thousand dollar transmission, and a new 18g setup. The dyno reads 1-2psi high, its really holding 18-19 psi to redline. Stock internals, the tuner said he could squeeze another 15 out of it, but this was a "safe" tune. Also this car was dynod at 5500 ft elevation.

That car is FAST, and a fucking demon off the line.. Spins all four on a good launch, the launch control is building just over 8psi, im sure its good for low 12's now. ON his stock turbo w/ larger comp wheel he was running 13.2's.

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Mainly its just clean

That's a good lookin' car... wagons are cool. Seems reasonable he spent some dough on it to get that kind of power. I'm surprised he's not running a FMIC, or at least an STI scoop. You'd think he'd need it.

Yeah, the car gets heatsoaked now for sure, even with his nitrous spray on the top mount(which does help, for 1/4 mi runs). For some reason he hasn't wanted to go FMIC, but is going WI in a few months. Hes shooting for 330whp.

AN 05 STI at COBB stage 2 with an accessport tune is dead even with my NB. AN 06 GTO with K+N intake and SLP exhaust is just a tad slower from a 4th gear roll. This is at the same power level and boost pressure from the NE dyno day.

Have you gotten your car on a dyno? What mods? I bet you are in the 210-230whp range if you are dead even with the sti.

Either the SRT was sandbagging or your boost gauge is a bit off.. ;)

I can't wait to tune my 1998 Impreza RS (UpPipe, Large Top Mountm 3" Dp, Exhaust) with the 2002 WRX setup. My car is about 400lbs lighter than the newer WRXs.

welp, my car with the mods in sig put down 360whp on 18psi (on a dynapack..a mustang dyno more like 330-340) and im still on the topmount as well...it put down 11.7@114 in the quarter mile with a 1.7 '60..the responsiveness and less lag of it makes it worth while, and unless you sit at a stoplight for ever, i have yet to experience major heatsoak or powerloss........savington, if you are ever in the area of sacramento/sanfrancisco/reno gimme a call, id be willing to drive within 100 miles of my house to try a turbo miata before the car is sold. or better yet, anyone know any turbo miata's in the northern california area? if so send them my way. im not in any way making a callout or anything, i just NEVER got to race a turbo miata and would love to. thanx

dont sweat it bro, you never know what mods it has with these cars. you could pull up to a loud ass backfiring monster looking thing and it will be weak sause and ridiculous.....then you can stumble on one that looks stock but puttn down 400+ whp.......

you should just be happy knowing that he probably wasted like 5 gallons of gas driving it like that:bowrofl:

but yeah, i turbo'd my car thinking that 250 would be enough. I can already see that it isnt. I'm wanting to break into the 12's. I think that means built motor/built tranny/built diff. I see myself dropping another 5-7k into this car in the next year. Possibly more.

DO IT!!!!
man, i can just imagine how nuts a 400whp miata is:eek5:

You should be able to hit 12's without building a motor, using a rx7 diff or changing out the trans.

I went 11.30@120 on a stock BP with stock tranny and 1.8 diff. Power was 350hp.
Also went 12.4 with 275hp!

went 11.00 with 498hp on built everything. Car was spinning tires in 3rd and break trannies! But mph was in the 135+ range

This was all done in my old 1990 Miata!

Hmm, i will probably be looking for a clutch diff in the near future. Then WI. You say swap out trannys, swap out with what? I know the t2 swap is not exactly a walk in the park.

Ok 18psi - so what did it cost for that kind of power? Nothing to be ashamed of- everybody here knows that it's gonna cost to make that kind of power from a turbo four banger (and have it live). But I think it would put it in perspective - going from stock power to that level.

And Marc- those quarter times- on slicks? I know that skill plays a much larger role in quarter times than most realize. So what do you think the difference is between your times and an average driver?

so nuts, it's only drivable with 10% throttle.

Marc, what was the 60 time?
Also, what clutch was this on and did you have some form of launch control? How bad did you have to slip the clutch and in how many gears, lol

well they do come with 250+ stock.. :)

I had about $6K in my FXT which included suspension, wheels, stereo. Probably a high 11 second car. Weakest part of the FXT was the trans (which was why I never tracked it). The STI trans are relatively bulletproof:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1292253

Frank

Damn, that's impressive... and a total sleeper. You could've upgraded to the STi trans?

STI trans are (were) pretty pricey and you had to swap the rear to the R180 from the STI too. To do that you needed the whole rear/axles/driveshaft. You can see where this is going. $$$ Probably about $4500 if I did it myself. Or I could have gone with a PPG gearset which was around $4500 plus installation.

I'd much rather piss away money ( a lot more) on my Miata conversion. ;)

While I loved my FXT and it drove very civilized for a daily driver, the EWG was annoying though I could have plumbed it back in and it simply wasn't fun like the Miata is. Plus the only time I'd drive it over the Miata is during the winter or crappy weather where I couldn't use half the power I had.

If anyone wants a nice car, hang around me for a year and I'll build something sweet then sell it before I abuse it or break it!

Frank

car did 270something at the NE dyno day at almost 14psi. best numbers so far were 292hp, and 225tq on a dynapack at 16ish psi.

Hell we just sold an STi Trans w/12k for 3900$.. That was the transmission and nothing else. Got 750 from the EJ25 heads alone!! :bang:

The 2.5 shortblock is getting some 2.0 heads and going into an 04 wagon with a huge rotated turbo and frontmount. Then we'll finish off that weak POS tranny fo good. :bowrofl:

You don't have to swap the rear end to use the STi trans, just the R&P. Most do the entire drivtrain to take advantage of the beefier components.

holy shit mayne, thats insane!!! 11.3@120 is c6 z06 territory...badass
ok, to be honest i bought almost all the parts mildly used, so my prices are mostly way lower than retail. BUTTTT: i have roughly 2k in the engine, and though its only 360whp, beleive me: above 3k the power/torque is EVERYWHERE and doesnt taper or decrease at all......this turbo is phenomenal, very smooth and just builds power all the way till redline. it is easily a low 12 second car trapping roughly 110 with mediocre driving. my all time best was 11.7@114....never got to run it with my race gas/launch control tune yet.
Frank, that is a helluva nice fxt, i LOVE it.....great job
sti transmissions are awesome, but they cost an arm and a leg and a testicle:vash:
i was totally going to buy one till i saw the usual going price: 4500 for a used one and even thats not very common.....damn subaru for puttin them only in sti's

holy shit batman, ill bet the FIRST wide open throttle pull will skullfuck that tranny leaving the gears nice and smooth LOL:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

250whp would probably do it. I lost by about 1 length from 35mph to about 90.

You know, I work way too hard for my money to do something silly like, bet... But I'd bet my bank account you sir, are correct. :giggle::bowrofl:

ask me how i know :giggle:
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Funny, that 312whp WRX is sitting in its owners driveway with a blown gearbox :fawk:

they dont call them "glass box" for nothin ;)

Yep, a friend of mine has a wrx and everyone beats him out of the hole because he doesnt want to destroy his tranny. Whats the point of AWD if you cant spin all four wheels :)?

That's why you gotta have the 6 speed like the sti... Then you can drop clutch all you want. First thing to break is usually the half-shafts, sometimes even with the stock clutch.

friend of mine with a 06 sti has a aps setp running 390whp on pump gas around 450 whp on 115, tuned by scott seagle at topspeed in marietta. thing runs like a champ. 314 is impressive considering the same guy with the sti has a 04 with sti turbo, thicker ic, downpipe, sittin around 250 whp. i definately wouldnt mess with his sti unless i was pushing near 300rwhp lol

Ever been in a Stage 3 STi from a dig launching off the limitor? HOLY SHIT. Its like a rocket ship... Take his word for it, you can't do that too many times... :bowrofl:

Yeah I agree.. Thats also another one of my complaints about the MS6 and its zip-tie & duct tape rear differential. Not to mention the transfer case that bolts onto a standard fwd transmission output. :jerkit:

I've a couple buddies with Evos but haven't seen one of them blow a gearbox yet.. They're too busy popping the motors. Like Scott said, a thrown rod is the mark of a true tuner. ;):giggle:

Scott isn't a bird ;)

Siegel

most of the evo's in my area are going through a clutch every month lol:giggle:
little restrictor pill in the clutch line preventing them from dropping the clutch TOO hard, making them burn them like crazy....as soon as someone dares take the restrictor out, the transfer case shits on itself withing weeks (with hard driving)...........

haha, i sat and thought about how to spell it, still failed

At least you didn't spell it seagull ;)

The morning my miata got totaled, I walked away from my friends STI. He had a turbo back, FMIC, COB, and a few more goodies. He was making like 15-16 lbs. at the time.

I just got my car re-tuned and it was running strong. I was happy to finally race him with a good tune to show him what the miata could really do.

We went from about 40 roll. I was in 2nd gear and took it up to the top of 3rd. By the time I let off I was like 6 cars on him (he didn't miss any gears and isn't a bad driver).

I picked up a 1991 MR2 recently with a fully built motor and a TD06-17c turbo running 15 lbs. of boost. Car made 320 whp and it could take a C6 ( no a Z06 C6, the 400 hp C6). Motor could have taken up to somewhere close to 500 whp. The injectors were the limiting factor. Only 550's....

That car is being sold ATM actually. It was a bitch to DD (retarded low and alcohol injection was expensive to refill).
Ya a 220-250 whp miata will spank a stock STI. Should still hang with them even with a turboback, cobb, and intake.

Sorry for the long post.

tuning is key on those cars. 15-16lbs of boost on a stg2 sti is WEAK SAUSE (stock is 14), not to mention that unless its protuned, a cobb accessport provides some of the mildest maps out there.....its nothing. even a ots flash will get the car to push more psi, so i dunno how fast, if at all, the sti you are talking about was.

my 05 wrx with turboback and tune at 18psi did 13.1@102 on 91 octane, what does a 220whp miata trap on average to be able to spank that?(the 07 is in the 11's)...keep in mind this is a wrx with a td04, a stg2 sti is EASILY capable of 12.8@103-5 which my friend, a mediocre driver did on his 05. see guys, i dont want to start a rivalry here, but c'mon lets be reasonable: go on nasioc and pull up the thread with stock turbo wrx's and sti and look at the numbers they are running at the track: stock turbo with boltons and a 100oct tune the record right now is 11.7@114 for a stock turbo sti. stock turbo and boltons on a wrx and they're in the mid-high 12's area. with bigger turbo's its game over. c'mon lets be reasonable here. imo, a BONE STOCK sti is a good race for a turboed miata (given its a average 220-250whp) from a roll, anything can happen on the street, but majority of the time its that way.

just cause you "took a sti" one or two times doesnt mean that its that way always. we've got stage 2 sti's in the bay area running low 12's back to back at 112mph on shit 91 oct. anyways, this is just my input, i am going from the subaru world to the miata world and am happy to do so, but i just cant ingnore one fact: subaru's will always dominate miata's in a straight line majority of the time. some miata's are crazy beasts, but not alot. most are made for the twisties,. Im not arguing the fact that miata's are funner, better handling, etc etc etc..stricktly my opinion/input tho so dont get offended plz:)