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db84drteg 05-25-2008 02:44 PM

Torque steer??!
 
So here's my issue ... when I get into the throttle, the car veers right, and off the throttle, the car goes left. Here's the thing, my car aligned just fine (-2.5* camber all around, 0 toe, and -4.6* caster in front). Anyways, any idea what it could be?

Thanks!

93 miata
Spec Miata suspension
greddy kit at 10 psi
torsen with 99 axles

SloS13 05-25-2008 02:47 PM

my little brother's '99 is having the same problem :(

UrbanSoot 05-25-2008 02:55 PM

what is your suspension setup? right off the bet i can tell you that you have too much camber in rear. another thing to consider is that torsen SUCKS ASS. go for a clutch-type like a real man.

db84drteg 05-25-2008 03:03 PM

Too much camber in the rear? How so?

jasonrobo02 05-25-2008 03:18 PM

Yeah Urban. I'm sure that his problem is related to the type of diff he's runnin:rolleyes:

If you're confident that your alignment is decent, I'd check your tire pressures. If you have a large enough delta between sides, it could make it pull to one side.

Zabac 05-25-2008 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by jasonrobo02 (Post 261997)
Yeah Urban. I'm sure that his problem is related to the type of diff he's runnin:rolleyes:

If you're confident that your alignment is decent, I'd check your tire pressures. If you have a large enough delta between sides, it could make it pull to one side.

Amen to that brother.
My car is doing exactly that right now due to the difference in the tire pressure from left rear to right rear. A few days ago i ran across a big wire and punctured my tire, I plugged it right there on the side of the road, lost some pressure and have not inflated it properly yet, which I need to do.

ps-my friends NB had same issues, turns out he had a very small leak at the valve.

thymer 05-25-2008 07:10 PM

If you have torque steer in a Miata you have a larger issue. Torque steer happens on front wheel drive cars. What you have sounds like a bad tire. Cheap tires can also cause this type of behavior. Can also be tire pressure differences. Positive camber would not cause this as long as it's equal on the two sides.

SamS 05-25-2008 07:28 PM

Every time I've heard of this, it's been tire pressures.

Braineack 05-25-2008 07:30 PM

Mine pulls to the left....simply because both the rear tires are spinning....

check your tire pressures...why do you have -2.5 all around?

hustler 05-25-2008 08:14 PM

what about engine and diff mounts?

db84drteg 05-25-2008 11:07 PM

Alright, I'll check the tire pressures as well as rotating the tires left to right and seeing if the behavior changes.

The Diff mounts are fine, I just put the diff in and put in new bushings. The engine mounts will be replaced shortly with Function7 units, as soon as they come in.

I have -2.5* camber all around because I track the car on a bi-weekly to monthly basis for extended periods of time and I need all the help I can get to keep the car stable. Anyways, I'm racing with BenR and we have a $50/tire challenge and he's a MUCH better driver than I am, so I'm playing with alignment settings in an effort to make my car more stable so I can get on the power sooner without just powering into a drift.

BenR 05-29-2008 03:50 PM

Did you get your car back together? Did the tire pressures solve this issue? Are you going to be ready to run on the 15th? PM me or give me a call sometime before hand, I'm probably going MS soon and want to take a look at your spark map.

redrumracer 05-29-2008 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by jasonrobo02 (Post 261997)
Yeah Urban. I'm sure that his problem is related to the type of diff he's runnin:rolleyes:

If you're confident that your alignment is decent, I'd check your tire pressures. If you have a large enough delta between sides, it could make it pull to one side.

x2

mrtonyg 05-29-2008 05:28 PM

Like has been said before: it's the Torsen combined with different tire pressures left to right rear.

stuntman 05-30-2008 02:51 PM

Could be tire pressures, could be (most likely) a bushing problem. How many miles are on your car?

I'd do a quick spot-check of all your control arm bushings. If their's a problem, often you won't even be able to see it. But if you do see a bushing completely destroyed/deformed, then you know theirs a problem.

It sounds like it could be bump-steer problems caused by deflection of a dead bushing.

db84drteg 05-31-2008 02:51 AM

The tire pressures were off a touch, but that wasn't the problem ... I had two brand new tires on the passenger side and two used ones on the driver side. I swapped the driver-rear and passenger-front tires and voila! Problem solved! The circumferences of the tires (new vs old) was enough to cause that nonsense.

Doppelgänger 05-31-2008 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by db84drteg (Post 264721)
The tire pressures were off a touch, but that wasn't the problem ... I had two brand new tires on the passenger side and two used ones on the driver side. I swapped the driver-rear and passenger-front tires and voila! Problem solved! The circumferences of the tires (new vs old) was enough to cause that nonsense.

Really? You didn't think about that in the first place? :bang:

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miatamania 05-31-2008 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 264773)
Really? You didn't think about that in the first place? :bang:

+1...fail.

cueball1 05-31-2008 01:46 PM

Better start remembering that medication! The obvious answers might come to you quicker.

cjernigan 05-31-2008 02:06 PM

I just waisted 5 minutes of my life on this.


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