Is a turbo miata worth it???
 

First off i want to say i am in no way trying to bash anyones car or anyone. Im quite fond of the idea and i love the car!.
Now with that out of the way ive come from a 550whp Neon srt4 that car was fast, the power was useless most of the time so i sold it. I then wanted a Miata but found a 240sx and rb25ed it. While the 240 is ok i cant for the life of me drop this Miata out of my head. Ive never driven a turbo miata but i had a quick ride in one. I cant remember how it felt because it was only a very short ride. I did drive a stock NB and i thought the motor had work to it because i thought it felt semi decent.
I want a 11 sec car atleast 12sec how hard will it be to achieve this in a miata?
What will it take for a Miata to get there?
Im in the middle of trading my 240 for a 92 T25 94k. Stock ecu, injectors 9psi Will this car wow me?
If i do get it whats my next mod? Which ecu aem ems or ms?
I need a car that is quick on and off the track..
Is a turbo miata the car for me?

Thanks for your time!

You owe me a ten second car.

To run that fast in a miata you will need motor with strong internals (not stock), you'll need at least a Gt 2871 turbo, at least 600cc injectors, and OF COURSE a stand alone ECU. Also, a really good clutch, sticky tires, and a trans that won't explode.
I don't think it's worth it for you.

"Stock ecu, injectors 9psi Will this car wow me?"

If you are wow'd running 13.9 at 101...than yes...WOW.

Thanks where will 250whp get me?

Drag racing? Who cares? The Miata is so much more. Power is for accelerating out of corners and being able to induce oversteer as needed.

If you want a dragster, get a Mustang.

Also, and importantly, the top goes down on a Miata.

Not only drag racing, I'm past that point, I want an all around car. The 240 is only drift capable not much more.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333896744

OP has no hope.

Dann

Miata is best all around car. 250whp will get you a really fast driver. My car is making just under 200whp right now, I was on higher boost a year ago and dyno'd at 225whp. 25whp difference in a Miata is different than 25whp different in say, a mustang. I think you'd be really happy with 250whp. If my car made 250whp as a daily driver (someday it will), I'd be done with it.

Dann please take your humor somewhere else, I'm here for honest opinions. Grow up, enough of the rude and ignorant responses. Keep those out please and thank you.

The questions and statements in your first post tell us that a Miata is not for you. These cars are more about circuit racing and learning EFI tuning. It's more about the journey than the product. However, the product is a 10:1 lb:WHP, double wishbone, 50/50 RWD chariot of death.

Thirdgen thanks! Is it hard to achieve that power level? Maybe with the use of a little water/meth? I have a kit I could use!

You already covered ignorance in your previous 10 posts. Also, where is the ignorance? Where does his post indicate a lack of information?

I've owned my miata for 5 years now, and the ENTIRE time was a learning experience. I truly believe this would not have happened with any other car, but I also wouldn't have had as much fun.

Here are some definitions through my eyes.

Mustang: Me too car.
Guy #1 "Hey man what did you do this weekend?"
Guy #2 "I put a flowmaster exhaust on my mustang."
Guy #1 "Really? Me too!"

Honda product: "I make a lot of horsepower N/A, but it happens at higher RPM's than you can rev your motor at, and I make the lowest amount of torque possible."

240: "I drift"

Miata: "After I spent all this money and did zero research, I had to sell all my stuff cause I blew my motor and had a junk setup. My new setup has had countless hours of research put into it, and cause of that, my car doesn't move...it spins the world underneath it. It wipes is a$$ with countless vettes and Porsche's at every event it enters."

What are you going to do with the car? Living your life a quarter mile at a time with the high school kids and doing what I do are two different things and about $10k apart. Most people lack the testosterone needed to achieve this level of masculinity, so advise us of your intent / virility.

Yeah, we definitely take it to another level. It's crazy for me to reflect on how far I've come in terms of understanding engineering as it relates to racing a car and understanding EFI. I also have a blast ---- stomping mudholes in fast, expensive cars at the track.

^Listen to these assholes OP.

You may not want to hear what they say, but if you want to only go fast in a straight line, you've got the wrong car probably.

I want a fun car to whip thru a few back roads. Im looking for maybe a car good at auto x, id love to get into the circuit course racing. And I love the idea of a vert.

Op it will cost you abou $14k to put a miata in the 11s

If you want a reliable trans and diff to drag it add on another $6k

I recommend driving one stock. I have a stock power one in addition to my turbo car and it is a lot of fun.

Stay stock.

If you want to track hard turboed, plan for $20k and A LOT of time working on your car on little details. Hustlers car also leaves a trail of tears behind it and it runs on "direct cash injection"

Lol @ "manifest destiny" and a thrwadstarted with what appears to be an Indian name.

Threadstarter, where are you located. If you say OK, I will laugh.

For the record, my car is very reliable and cheap to race these days.

250whp is very easily achievable and can be had on stock internals.
Cost...I'm sticking to easily under $4000 to achieve 250whp.
Do you know what turbo is on that car now?

I live in Baltimore Maryland
T25 turbo

A turbo miata is a great car if you want a miata that's fast. Be prepared to do a lot of work if you want to track it, because that's a whole 'nother ball of wax.

If you want a very fast track car that needs very little work, nothing beats a $15k 2001 Corvette Z05 for the money.

If you want a fast, comfy backroads convertible, a 2003 Boxster S is the best car for the money.

If you want a fast drag car, I'm not the right person to offer an opinion.

I'm of the opinion that well below 10 lbs/hp you really need AWD to put the power down effectively coming out of corners. An EVO, STi, or an S4 would be my choice.

A TME EVO was the fastest car on bumpy backroads that I've driven. Faster than an F430.

I was able to hit just over 250WHP reliably on my miata for about the $8000 investment mark. I did do drag racing with it, but if I was going to do autox or circuit racing with the car I would've had to invest several thousands more. To be perfectly honest, it sounds like you should buy a Honda s2000. Drop top, wicked handling, and you can make the big horsepower numbers to brag about if you want.

Hustly your turbie just died. Again.

While that "failure" would fall into the category of "general maintainence", it is still a failure and expensive. Pay to play

Which T25? SR20 journal bearing? 2554? 2560? There are so many turbos that fit the T25 footprint it's ridiculous.

After ~150 hours of seat time, I can't say I'm upset. I don't expect these things to last forever.

I suppose you're right, but i drove this car to the track, drove the ---- out of it for two days, then drove it home time after time after time.

With the right tire and some decent weight reduction I think you could get in the 11's on a stock motor and still be reliable.

If that '92 you're looking at still has the 6" rearend you're probably better off just buying a 94+ car and putting the turbo together yourself.

This is WIN all over the place. No trailer queens here.
This just might be Hustler's track steps:
1) Wake up next to somebody's mom.
2) Start car and exit home garage.
3) Enter track and piss everybody off with unheard of lap times.
4) Laugh at broken Porsche being loaded onto trailer.
5) Drive home with bikini wearing trophy girl in passengers seat.
6) Post on MT.net

Well said.:brain:

I fixed it.

I'm not really that fast, just a mid-pack driver in my class...a class which is all S2k with aero, E46 with extreme mods, E90 with tires and shocks, or C5Zs.

Also, all chaps are assless.

Yes, I frequently chuckle for rich people with broken, expensive cars; I weep for budget guys like myself with broken Euro cars.

All chaps are ass-less, or they'd be pants.

Thanks. The product for me was insanely cool/fast/rewarding...what does that tell you about the journey?

Did we run OP off?


Hey, OP. Buy 94+ miata, do a ---- ton of research. Build a good turbo system with stock internals and find out that you're amazingly happy with 250whp. On a car that is lighter than all, shorter wheel base than all, and topless even.

Or just be reminded every time you get in it that people around you are silently thinking you're gay.

I'm sorry gt 2554 ball bearing

Nah you guys cant run me away!
So is the 1.6 capable of 250?

That turbo is great for fast spool, but 250whp is pushing it on that turbo. I'd get a MSPNP2 and run RX8 injectors, run like 15 psi, and you'd be feeling very close to the 250whp goal.
Oh wait...1.6? Hmmm, not sure what 15psi on a gt2554 puts out on a 1.6...

Correction its a GT2854!

The rear end is going to explode just above stock power.

The 1.6 differential is a surprise box. I've seen them survive 220whp+ and I've seen them grenade with stock power. Read the FAQ so you can get a better insight into the cars. If you want an all around car that you can put on the track you're in the right place. As said above if you live life a quarter of a mile at a time there are better platforms out there. All in all good luck and I'm glad you got rid of the SRT4 :barf:

if you are serious about doing road track stuff do some events in your DD and learn how to drive first, in a rental car if you gotta. "you will never drive a fast car fast till you drive a slow car fast" find a miata that already has tons of parts on it. do some research and do what needs to happen to make it reliable on the track.
the car is so much lighter then most cars the conversion from a normal car to a set up miata can be difficult for a new track driver. dont spend a much of money on brakes , let em fade a bit and use that to force yourself to carry more speed in the corners.

my feeling is that if you are set on a car that will do such and such time 1/4 mile then that is still your priority. that is fine but it is not a road track mindset. if you want a fast turbo miata for the road track then I would not worry about times at all. a good set up road track car is not going to trap as well as the same car set up for drag. I'm not saying you cant do both. I ve only been to the drag strip with my audi a4 and it was boring for me. I managed a 12.8 and a 60' at 1.6 but that is with a all wheel drive launch. after a 1/8 mile I was done , boring. decent car on a road track tho.

and what did it take to get there? :-)