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crashnscar 02-19-2009 04:59 AM

Water port on side of block?
 
I think I remember that the other port on the exhaust side of the block (other than the oil feed port) is a coolant port.

Can anyone confirm this? What thread is it?

Is it a good place to install an aftermarket coolant temp sensor? Why/why not?

wroark 02-19-2009 08:59 AM

I use that port in my coolant reroute to feed the heater.
I'll have to go through my receipts to find out what the thread size and pitch was for the fitting I used.

Braineack 02-19-2009 09:01 AM

its just above the stock oil port, it's m12x1.25.

It's probably not the best place for a coolant temp sensor as it's going to represent to coolest water in the block, not the warmest.

wroark 02-19-2009 09:04 AM

M12 x 1.25.

levnubhin 02-19-2009 09:36 AM

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Don't remember the size though.
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Saml01 02-19-2009 11:20 AM

Why dont we use that port more often?

Braineack 02-19-2009 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 370934)
Why dont we use that port more often?


we are old school and don't have water-cooled turbos?

mazda/nissan 02-19-2009 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 370946)
we are old school and don't have water-cooled turbos?

my old school 16g is water cooled, but I was planning on following the route shown in Braineack's FAQ thread unless this would provide better results due to cooler liquid

wroark 02-19-2009 11:34 AM

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Dunno, any excuse to use more AN fittings and braided hose is a winner !

Braineack 02-19-2009 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by mazda/nissan (Post 370947)
my old school 16g is water cooled, but I was planning on following the route shown in Braineack's FAQ thread unless this would provide better results due to cooler liquid


its probably a better feed port, since it's sourcing from water that hasn't gone through the motor first. However, the other way is easier :P

RotorNutFD3S 02-19-2009 12:13 PM

MSMs have a line in that feed port and have a return line going to the heater hose hardpipe, but aside from modifying that hardpipe, where can the return line go?

mazda/nissan 02-19-2009 12:27 PM

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RotorNutFD3S 02-19-2009 12:33 PM

Any way to post that as an attachment? Can't see photobucket links at work. :(

Braineack 02-19-2009 12:35 PM

return needs to go back into the mixing manifold and water pump inlet.

RotorNutFD3S 02-19-2009 12:37 PM

OK, so if you're getting coolant from the block and returning it to the water pump inlet, what do you do with the line coming off of the thermostat? Cap it?

mazda/nissan 02-19-2009 12:38 PM

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tada

levnubhin 02-19-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RotorNutFD3S (Post 370978)
MSMs have a line in that feed port and have a return line going to the heater hose hardpipe, but aside from modifying that hardpipe, where can the return line go?



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RotorNutFD3S 02-19-2009 12:41 PM

Can't see photobucket pictures at work... I'll look later. :)

levnubhin 02-19-2009 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by RotorNutFD3S (Post 370995)
OK, so if you're getting coolant from the block and returning it to the water pump inlet, what do you do with the line coming off of the thermostat? Cap it?

Yes
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levnubhin 02-19-2009 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by RotorNutFD3S (Post 371002)
Can't see photobucket pictures at work... I'll look later. :)

Here ya go.
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RotorNutFD3S 02-19-2009 12:47 PM

Thanks Phil. I figured that's what you probably posted, but you also don't have a front thermostat, whereas I will. So if I go this route, which is looking more and more attractive, I'll just cap that line off.


Originally Posted by mazda/nissan (Post 370996)
tada

Thanks, that one I could see. However, that's the traditional route I had originally, and I wanted to source the coolant from the block this time around.

crashnscar 02-19-2009 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 370860)
its just above the stock oil port, it's m12x1.25.

It's probably not the best place for a coolant temp sensor as it's going to represent to coolest water in the block, not the warmest.

Where do you think the best place would be? Top radiator hose? Back of head where stock gauge sensor goes?

levnubhin 02-19-2009 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by RotorNutFD3S (Post 371011)
Thanks Phil. I figured that's what you probably posted, but you also don't have a front thermostat, whereas I will. So if I go this route, which is looking more and more attractive, I'll just cap that line off.



Thanks, that one I could see. However, that's the traditional route I had originally, and I wanted to source the coolant from the block this time around.


No reroute?
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RotorNutFD3S 02-19-2009 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 371027)
No reroute?

Not yet. Right now I'm more interested in getting the car running again without adding any new variables. I'm not even going to hook the W/I system back up yet. I'm more comfortable with the thought of making sure that it runs correctly and if there's a problem that it's easier to troubleshoot. Then I'll start adding things, especially the reroute. It hasn't proved to need it yet, and the car's been turbo'd in a few different environments, I don't think waiting for a little bit will hurt.

levnubhin 02-19-2009 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by RotorNutFD3S (Post 371038)
Not yet. Right now I'm more interested in getting the car running again without adding any new variables. I'm not even going to hook the W/I system back up yet. I'm more comfortable with the thought of making sure that it runs correctly and if there's a problem that it's easier to troubleshoot. Then I'll start adding things, especially the reroute.

Got ya, although the reroute is sooooooo much easier with the head off.
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wroark 02-19-2009 01:55 PM

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Yeah, this sounds like it could be a great time to do the coolant reroute (everybody's doin it, come on, you'll like it)
Move the thermostat to the back of the head with a JR spacer capped by a 1.6 thermostat housing, after the turbo the coolant could go to the heater "in", the heater "out" feeds into the JR spacer after the thermostat.
easy peezy ;)
Get rid of all those pesky little coolant lines for the oil cooler and throttle warmer (cause everybody has a oil cooler hang'n on the front of the car by now and the turbo will keep the throttle warm). Then you can knock off the silly thermostat contraption from the front of the motor and plug up the hole.

I skipped the turbo and went from block coolant port to heater "in".
The heater "out" is the stock miata heater hose that goes behind the head and feeds into the JR spacer (where the stock pickup used to be).

RotorNutFD3S 02-19-2009 02:50 PM

Yeah, I may jump on the bandwagon before the engine goes in, I'm still on the fence about adding it first. The ease of the installation is a good point. lol And I don't have an oil cooler, nor do I have any plans of adding one.

I'm still reading up about reroutes and trying to find the absolute necessity on a street car that sees full boost every once in a while, no plans of tracking it at the moment. Maybe I'll track it someday down the road when I have another daily. I do fully understand it makes a difference since Mazda didn't route the coolant very well to start with, don't get me wrong. But for a car that's been turbo'd for most of it's life in some pretty hot environments, it hasn't had any issues with cooling.

thesnowboarder 02-19-2009 04:13 PM

Im using that port for water as well.

RotorNutFD3S 02-24-2009 11:41 PM

What size fitting do you buy to use that port? I've not been able to find an M12 x 1.25 to AN adapter on Jeg's, Russell, etc.

boileralum 02-25-2009 01:08 AM


Originally Posted by RotorNutFD3S (Post 373626)
What size fitting do you buy to use that port? I've not been able to find an M12 x 1.25 to AN adapter on Jeg's, Russell, etc.

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RotorNutFD3S 02-25-2009 11:33 AM

Awesome! Thank you sir!


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