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Old 11-16-2015, 04:48 PM   #41
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Nb2 door cards are first. Gonna be the flat NA style. Still debating on mounting and door release options. Will be trying them with 2 layers of carbon being as they will be strictly a "beauty piece" that are used to reduce a good amount of weight and still being presentable.
2 layers? I saw some video, 2 layers carbon fiber sheet is just flexible as a sheet of paper card
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Yes 2 layers. It is my idea that all the pulls will go through the panel to the metal structure. The panels will be strictly cosmetic with no intent of things to be mounted directly to them. Just a cheap way to have 100% presentable gutted doors. No need for more than 2 layers. I say this now but if I feel like more layers are necessary after I make mine than I will add more for the pieces to be sold.
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Old 11-16-2015, 06:03 PM   #43
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Yes 2 layers. It is my idea that all the pulls will go through the panel to the metal structure. The panels will be strictly cosmetic with no intent of things to be mounted directly to them. Just a cheap way to have 100% presentable gutted doors. No need for more than 2 layers. I say this now but if I feel like more layers are necessary after I make mine than I will add more for the pieces to be sold.
good idea, but I think a flex door card especially for shining carbon fiber will reflect anomalously

I still prefer a harder door card

however.... I don't have a NB my NA door card is already a mess though
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We shall see. It will only be as thick as it needs to be. I may use high density foam in locations I am able to to reinforce it if it is necessary. It will all depend on how the first set goes.
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Lol some of these ideas are not even worth commenting on. Shorty console is something I am interested in. As of now. The order of builds I am interested in doing is:
1. NB flat style door cards
2. Timing covers for both 1.8 bp4w and vvt heads. Not sure if there is a difference but I have a spare bp4w engine in the garage.
3. Shorty consoles will probably make a plug while makeig the molds for the timing covers.
4. Clamshell hood/fenders.

Will make as many NB door cards first to pay for the mold making of the timing covers and shorty consoles. Then make as many of the consoles and timing covers as possible to hopefully make enough to do the Clamshell mold. Parts will be sold in order of received payment. And will not do group buys due to extreme part time nature of these tasks. Will be able to be made in fiberglass or carbon. Carbon will be sourced from U.S. composites and will be their discount rolls when and if they have it available in the widths needed for the parts. Which should be easy enough on all the parts minus the clamshell. Parts may or may not be show quality due to the nature of the discounted carbon but no part will go out that is not dimensionally perfect and resin flaws free.
There is a difference between the two. VVT has a bulge for the intake cam. BP4W has a cam pickup in this location as well.

I can chop off my valve cover upper tomorrow and send it to you any time, then you'll just need aidandj's lower
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OK I will keep you in mind. I don't want to take anything from you guys till I am ready to deliver on my word. I will get a hold of you all for it when I am ready
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The smallest amount of research I have done leads to pre preg carbon and autoclaves. None of which will I probably ever be equipped to do. Vacuum infusion will be as far as I get and will be perfect for 90% of all parts we would need done.
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The smallest amount of research I have done leads to pre preg carbon and autoclaves. Non of which will I probably ever be equipped to do. Vacuum infusion will be as far as I get and will be perfect for 90% of all parts we would need done.
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2 layers? I saw some video, 2 layers carbon fiber sheet is just flexible as a sheet of paper card
There is no standard for what a 'layer' of carbon fiber is. Fabrics come in wide variety of weights. You can also make light and rigid panels with core materials.
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I thought about that too. If there is room "behind" the panel I may do a sori or similar material between the 2 layers.
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What about the black headlight trim that fits around the lamp?
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I assume you are talking about na headlights. That piece should be easy but not sure if it would garner any attention when many would rather have a lower profile headlight.

For the shorty consoles, I have a 2005 so not sure if they will work in NAs. Does anyone have a good source for shift boot bezels? I would like to get away from the miata trim. I found a generic round one for $15. Thinking using it and then trying to source new boots. Have a custom interior shop down the road from me. Mat price out black suede and leather boots. Having it to where you choose suede or leather and you choose a thread color. Will be starting on the plug for the console and trim for the latch releases around December 15th.

Also will start on a few door panels around that time and the vvt timing covers. Will get the spare bp-4w on the stand and get its timing covers off hopefully by the end of December and get started on those.

On the timing covers... I know the bp4w has the top piece connected to the valve cover. Do we want to keep the piece on the valve cover or some how make a removable cover? Or one piece it with the upper section of the outer cover?
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Well the Maruha has one trim the valve cover flush up to the point where the gasket sits, then it sits over top replacing what was removed.

I'd be sending you a chopped portion of the VVT valve cover (metal) along with the plastic lower (that fits above the waterpump) to be one piece.

Carbon timing cover
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Can I be the first to ask: how long have you been making carbon fiber parts?

If the answer is not "for a while now, have experience, and just looking to get into miata stuff"

Then this thread is.......well.......
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That was my first thought when this thread started.
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18psi, was waiting for you to make mention. And yes you are correct in your assumptions. I have done tons or research and these will be my first attempts at carbon fiber. I made it clear as mud when I mentioned in my first post I was starting from the easiest parts to the hardest. And also the refusal of doing group buys. This is loosely parts that I want for my car and if I am going to have a mold on hand after I make my part I might as well turn a few parts out to fund the next part. I will not receive a dime from anyone without a finished part on hand and at this point, I have stated that they may or may not be high quality as far as the weave is concerned but I will not send out a part that has resin flaws. Long term I would like to turn a profit from this but that would be extremely small profit vs the hours required to make these. As parts are made I will get in touch with the mods on here and get "legal" for selling these parts. Either a paying member or an authorized vendor. What ever is deemed appropriate for the situation at the time.
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so basically........you're yet another dreamer

that's ok, I'll let it slide, but:

stop asking for a parts discussion that will be a moronic waste of time.

start a discussion about working with cf in general.

start with, like overlaying a shift ****. or something. like a cf vent ring. it will probably take you a week to make something like that even, let alone a bumper, or valve cover, etc.


cause right now you're this guy:

gaiz I was thinking about becoming a professional formula 1 race car driver.

......WHICH COLOR SHOULD MY RACE CAR BE?
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guys I want to win the olympics.

should I wear nike or adidas shoes?
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... as far as how to do said parts.... I feel as if I know as much as I can with out actually doing it.... I have my vacuum pump. I will be ordering materials soon. I know how to make the plug for the console and how to make a mold from the plug. Infusion vs wet layup and bagging. Is actually a simpler technique. Just take a Lil more investment for the setup. I am not worried about actually making the parts. Being I want to be able to sell a few to make it easier to afford the materials for the next part, I would like to make it more appealing to others and just not my self. But your right, 18psi, I will continue forth with my ideas and will let this thread die. And I will make it how I feel it should be and if it sells it sells, if not oh well.
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