Why doesn't an intake have a collector that the TB mounts to with runners going from the collector to the head? Why isn't this more efficient/better than the standard plenum with runners? |
This shit has been beaten to death.
Start searching bitch In a nutshell: long runners with no plenum will make tons of torque and kill the topend power. |
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equal length tubular intake manifold FTW
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I'll most likely be using an equal length runner/plenum/thing with my ITBs on the BMW.
Part of the reason (as I've heard it told) why they tend to make shitty top end power is due to the fact that the pulses of air caused by the snapping shut of the intake valves can't dissipate into the plenum and be absorbed by other cylinders. I'm going to attempt to offset this with a helmholtz resonator on each runner. |
Look for discussions on why plenums are an important part of manifolds.
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Yes I mean something like what volcanic posted, but with a full 2 or 3 liters between the collector and throttle body. |
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Mazda make an intake manifold for the Z5 engine that looks like an exhaust manifold
Z series is the succesor to the B series more or less |
Originally Posted by Savington
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Look for discussions on why plenums are an important part of manifolds.
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in reality it has a similar concept to ITB with the use of individual stacks and with proper engine management you can control how much fuel is being sent to each injector
that wiki thread has a ton of great info. what would be really cool is to create two sets of runs, short and long, and have the short ones open after a certain RPM using butterflies and a vacuum actuator edit: if this is a track only car you can tune the length of the runners for an RPM ranage that you are constantly above (im really excited about this thread!) |
isn't that what vics already does?
Also every other vtec honda out there has this already. |
vics changes volume, not length.
vtec switches to a high profile cam above 5,500 rpm. |
yeah which started on the 99 engines, i guess i was talking about the 1.6l as well as implementing it on a equal length IM
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Originally Posted by v01canic
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what would be really cool is to create two sets of runs, short and long, and have the short ones open after a certain RPM using butterflies and a vacuum actuator
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my sentra has one too
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Originally Posted by Jeff_Ciesielski
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Mitsubishi did this in the late 80's early 90's. Google "cyclone manifold". They came on japanese only 4g63-T's.
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lets keep our eyes on the prize here. does anyone know why a tubular equal length intake manifold sholdnt work? we can get to the arguments of secondaries and butterflies later
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 756007)
vics changes volume, not length.
Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 755963)
Yes I mean something like what volcanic posted, but with a full 2 or 3 liters between the collector and throttle body. |
BTW it is not hard to fab up intake manis. I used to make some for BMWs. One time we modded some OE head flanges and plenums. Then we played with different lengths and diameters of tubing and coordinated some other hard parts like cams that modeling showed should work well. The best bits would up helping for sure, but they were not compact at all. Part of the OE compromise is for tight packaging and low cost manufacture. This was for NA application. You can get quite a bit above 100% VE at certain RPM ranges. Like passive supercharging. IIRC S2000s hit around 120% VE here and there per Honda. The key is that all the various bits need to be coordinated with one another. A wonder mani won't do much just slapped onto any engine.
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Originally Posted by triple88a
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...why not just toss the throttle body on the other side of the intercooler?
Why not have an equal length runner/collector type intake manifold and put the throttle body way upstream to use the intake piping and/or intercooler as the plenum? |
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