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hustler 09-17-2010 12:40 AM

Suddenly the Miata market is exploding. The TSE RB replacement rotors are $90 each or you can run Napa shit on the street for $25 each.

falcon 09-17-2010 12:46 AM

FML... should have waited a whole 30 days to buy my kit. For the same price I could have had 2 pc rotors.

Savington 09-17-2010 01:14 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 631037)
Suddenly the Miata market is exploding. The TSE RB replacement rotors are $90 each or you can run Napa shit on the street for $25 each.

And having run the RB rotors, I'd recommend NAPA shit even if they were the same price.

bbundy 09-17-2010 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 630909)
That's the advantage of being first on the market, such as with the 949 wheels. FM AFAIK is a reseller of the Goodwin kit so they weren't competing. I'm not saying 949 wheels are overpriced, as even when they first came out they were priced right vis a vis the not-quite-competition (15x7's).

The time it took for Wilwood to enter the market tells me that there's a lot of opportunity out there for small biz to compete (auto aftermarket, not specifically miata bbk's).

If you want to be horrified, look at the prices of E36 BMW BBK's. My car came with front BBK's which I didn't need, I downgraded to stock, and sold the ones from the car for $1700.

I have a lot of respect for Emilio I think he entered the market with something nobody had and did it with an extremely fair price. I don't think anybody can undercut too much and have an equivalent product without loosing money doing it. The copies are much lower quality and heavier thus far.

Bob

Doppelgänger 09-17-2010 10:14 AM

Hey Bob, how in the hell did you mount radial mount calipers to the Miata hub?

bbundy 09-17-2010 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 631187)
Hey Bob, how in the hell did you mount radial mount calipers to the Miata hub?

The mounting brackets that come with the Mini-cooper kit fit the Miata as well. My wife was in shock when she saw her Mini up in the air next to my Miata when I was test fitting her brakes on the Miata. Both the rotor and the hat bolt on. In the radial direction there is 3/8" difference however but that is pretty easy to adjust with a radial mount caliper. The Mini kit was already designed to work with both 11.75 and 12.19" rotors. There are actually a few 15” wheels that would take a 12.19 rotor.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/2

Bob

Doppelgänger 09-17-2010 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 631238)
The mounting brackets that come with the Mini-cooper kit fit the Miata as well. My wife was in shock when she saw her Mini up in the air next to my Miata when I was test fitting her brakes on the Miata. Both the rotor and the hat bolt on. In the radial direction there is 3/8" difference however but that is pretty easy to adjust with a radial mount caliper. The Mini kit was already designed to work with both 11.75 and 12.19" rotors. There are actually a few 15” wheels that would take a 12.19 rotor.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/2

Bob

Ahhh I see now. It's the fact that the MINI diagram has the caliper on the front and was kinda hiding the way the radial mount bracket works. I get it now.

Which makes me now wonder- Is the caliper bracket different from the 11.75 kit ro the 12.1 kit or if both kits use the same caliper bracket and one just accepts the larger rotor.
Either way, I'm going a lightly different route that will all (hopefully) be Miata-specific...but pieced together. I just need to hear back from V8R to see if they'll sell their caliper mounts seperately and what offset the hub needs to be with their bracket.

emilio700 09-18-2010 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by RotorNutFD3S (Post 630827)
Seems Good-Win is following the trend for $699 (including lines) front only, looks like different hats, caliper brackets, and pads:

http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...ml?id=yZeqAupi

That's the old V3 Goodwin kit. Same 160-5840 rotor that Wilwood is using.

Gotpsi? 09-18-2010 05:23 PM

Do you think the rotors will get any cheaper now that Wilwood is offering a kit themselves?

emilio700 09-18-2010 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Gotpsi? (Post 631640)
Do you think the rotors will get any cheaper now that Wilwood is offering a kit themselves?

Not.

noboost 09-18-2010 09:08 PM

Damn this is awesome. Curious as to how they hold up on v8 applications.

bbundy 09-19-2010 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by RotorNutFD3S (Post 630827)
Seems Good-Win is following the trend for $699 (including lines) front only, looks like different hats, caliper brackets, and pads:

http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...ml?id=yZeqAupi

http://www.good-win-racing.com/miata...ake_Kit_V1.jpg

I just got to looking at the pictures and the kit from wilwood has DynaPro calipers instead of Dyna Light. The Dyna Pro calipers are way stiffer and I think they might use the thicker pads like my Mini brakes do. Retail price for the Dyna Pro calipers by themselves I think is normally double that of the Dyna Lights.

I'd take the Dyna Pro Kit.

Bob

modernbeat 09-19-2010 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 631941)
I just got to looking at the pictures and the kit from wilwood has DynaPro calipers instead of Dyna Light. The Dyna Pro calipers are way stiffer and I think they might use the thicker pads like my Mini brakes do. Retail price for the Dyna Pro calipers by themselves I think is normally double that of the Dyna Lights.

I'd take the Dyna Pro Kit.

Bob

The Wilwood kits comes with the same DynaLight calipers that Goodwin sells. The original poster on M.net upgraded HIS set to the DynaPro calipers that are pictured.

jasonb 09-22-2010 02:53 AM

how well do the rotors respond to brake ducts? i can't tell from the pictures if air can be forced through the rotor from the inboard side.

emilio700 09-22-2010 03:10 AM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 631941)
Retail price for the Dyna Pro calipers by themselves I think is normally double that of the Dyna Lights.
Bob

Retail price on the DP4 is about $17 more than the DL4.

DP6 is another animal entirely, running about twice the retail of the DL4

emilio700 09-22-2010 03:41 AM

BTW, we're offering a souped up version of the kit as well.

https://www.miataturbo.net/race-prep-75/949-racing-11-wilwood-bbk-51892/

Doppelgänger 09-22-2010 08:49 AM

Dammit...I want 11.75" rotors and DP6 calipers.
Can I get 11.75 replacement rotors for those hats and be OK with those caliper brackets? Hmmmm

Gotpsi? 09-22-2010 12:02 PM

No you would need new brakets or I would have done this already

bbundy 09-22-2010 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 632998)
Retail price on the DP4 is about $17 more than the DL4.

DP6 is another animal entirely, running about twice the retail of the DL4

What about the radial mont DP4's though.

Bob

emilio700 09-22-2010 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 633146)
What about the radial mont DP4's though.

Bob

Radials cost more.
To get the actually realize the potential benefit of a radial though, the spindle would have to be redesigned so the loads are vectored directly at the centerline of the hub. As it is, we would have to cut off the bosses, grind them flat and still end up with the thing cantilevered a bit, indirect load path. I looked at doing this for the OGK with a custom set of offset V8R hubs but decided there were other more cost effective things we could do on the car to improve brake feel. I hate one off stuff that no one else can get. If I do something for one of our cars, I want to be able to serial produce it. In the end, an 11" kit like this can provide a rock solid pedal in actual race conditions. BTDT.

-Bump to a 15/16, 1 or 1.125 M/C.
-Fab a M/C brace
-Use stiff hats. Too much lightening, we have discovered, can contribute to knock back
-Run lots of rear brake bias if you have an effective wing
-Blueprint your hubs
-If you have deleted your e-brake, manually adjust your rear brakes after every hour or so on track.


Anyway Bob, You already have your DIY Monster BBK and it works right?


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