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Old 09-16-2010, 12:19 PM   #1
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Default Wilwood Releasing Miata BBK, Only $635 for Fronts

Someone on m.net was apparently a tester:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=393124

He upgraded a few parts from the standard kit:

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Just got this email from wilwood. Sharing the information.

Thank you for the inquiry with Wilwood Disc Brakes. Our Mazda Miata kit was just released and has not been updated on our website. The kit is for the 95-2005 Miata and includes 11" x 0.81" vented plain-faced rotors, Dynalite 4-piston calipers, BP-10 Street pads (Wilwood), aluminum hat, brackets and hardware. The kit is priced at $634.69 and the line kit (OEM style lines will not work) are part number 220-11751 priced at $66.61 for the front set.
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Can't see the pic - does this use a two-piece rotor?
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Can't see the pic - does this use a two-piece rotor?
Yup.
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Hrmmmmm.... I might have to look more into this.
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How much are replacement rotors, do they fit with 6ul offsets, are the rotors readily available at all times?
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Not big enough to justify replacing my big sport brakes.
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Not big enough to justify replacing my big sport brakes.
FWIW

The off the shelf wilwood kit 140-8740 made for a Mini Cooper is pretty near a direct bolt on for a Miata. A couple of washers and a hat centering ring are all that is needed.

Dyna-Pro > Dyna-Lite
11.75 > 11
.60 thick pads > .49 thick pads
Directional Vane > Straight Vane

I have been running this kit for a number of years. I Pioneered the installation.

Id like to figure out how a setup for the rear using one of their parking brake combo calipers. Seems like the parking brake cable is oriented wrong however and they are only made for vented rotors which in my testing has shown is just unnecasary weight for the rear of even the highes powerd miata track cars.

Currently I have a custom 11.44 two peace rear rotors with stock calipers.

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bbundy, it's also $1075 vs. $700 for this supposed new BBK. I'd take the dyna-lites, 11" rotors, .49" thick pads, and straight vanes to say $375. Then again I may not be finding the best price for the kit, this was directly off Wilwood's site.
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bah. non abs only for now
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bbundy, it's also $1075 vs. $700 for this supposed new BBK. I'd take the dyna-lites, 11" rotors, .49" thick pads, and straight vanes to say $375. Then again I may not be finding the best price for the kit, this was directly off Wilwood's site.
I built mine when the only other options were Goodwin and FM who I felt wanted twice what it should cost so I got a much better kit which still cost slightly less than theirs. I was regularly destroying both pads and rotors on the corrado based wilwood setups. my new kit works better and has at least 4X the pad and rotor life.

Finally wilwood stepped up and put the kit together for what it should cost. I suspect the other players will have to lower prices or sales will die off.

I have found www.Summitracing.com usually has the best wilwood prices usually less that wilwood lists.

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What would make this non-ABS compatible?
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bah. non abs only for now
For the life of me I cant figure out how it would not work with ABS. The tone ring is on the hub I can't see how anything would interfere with the abs.

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Finally wilwood stepped up and put the kit together for what it should cost. I suspect the other players will have to lower prices or sales will die off.
Hopefully the prices and hype are true. Isn't the free market wonderful?
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Seems Good-Win is following the trend for $699 (including lines) front only, looks like different hats, caliper brackets, and pads:

http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...ml?id=yZeqAupi

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So the wilwood and goodwin kits are pretty much the same price. The rotor hat on the wilwood kit looks better =P

I know what i'm buying this spring!
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Id recommend 2001+ sport brakes for the rear to go with it.

Oh and a 1" master cylinder on a 2001 + booster does wonders for pedal feel.

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Hopefully the prices and hype are true. Isn't the free market wonderful?
Yes when it finally works right. I forget how long ago it was that I complained about the price. Goodwin and FM were charging nearly double what basically the same kit cost made for cars even with a smaller or much larger markets than a Miata.

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Id recommend 2001+ sport brakes for the rear to go with it.

Oh and a 1" master cylinder on a 2001 + booster does wonders for pedal feel.

Bob
Oh ya that too. I'm planning on doing more track days than autox next summer so I really want to get my brakes and cooling (oil and water) sorted out before then. I think this would be a good setup to grow into and if I outgrow it I'll sell it and go with a copy of your setup.
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Yes when it finally works right. I forget how long ago it was that I complained about the price. Goodwin and FM were charging nearly double what basically the same kit cost made for cars even with a smaller or much larger markets than a Miata.
That's the advantage of being first on the market, such as with the 949 wheels. FM AFAIK is a reseller of the Goodwin kit so they weren't competing. I'm not saying 949 wheels are overpriced, as even when they first came out they were priced right vis a vis the not-quite-competition (15x7's).

The time it took for Wilwood to enter the market tells me that there's a lot of opportunity out there for small biz to compete (auto aftermarket, not specifically miata bbk's).

If you want to be horrified, look at the prices of E36 BMW BBK's. My car came with front BBK's which I didn't need, I downgraded to stock, and sold the ones from the car for $1700.
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Hopefully the replacement rotors will get cheaper, they are about $80-100 each right now, if they went with the 11.75 they can be had for $30ea.
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