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JasonC SBB 02-13-2010 12:43 AM

I weighed my Dynalites, and fresh out of the box they were 1.5 kg.

falcon 02-25-2010 02:53 PM

So I'm most likely going to pick these brackets up within the next few weeks.

After reading the thread, there are a few options for balancing the whole system out. What, in your guys opinion is the easiest/bolt on way to balance everything out? 1.8L rears + proportion valve? MSM rear? What has been the easiest set up to make work without fiddling and making a million adjustments?

And just to clarify again, the calipers we need are the .81 thickness? 120-6806?

hustler 02-25-2010 03:27 PM

prop valve

falcon 02-25-2010 03:29 PM

prop + 1.6?

prop + 1.8?

prop + MSM?

prop + flyin miata bracket + 1.8?

Savington 02-25-2010 04:24 PM

I use a prop valve and stock 1.8 rear brakes on my car. The calipers are 120-6806s.

falcon 02-25-2010 04:42 PM

Sounds good!

Should I go with the Tilton or Willwood prop valve, is there any preference between them?

Savington 02-25-2010 07:18 PM

I used the Wilwood valve due to ease of install, I've never played with the Tilton valve so I wouldn't have any setup advice for you. I thought it might be nice for playing with the bias on-track, but for me the Wilwood valve seems to be a lot more set-and-forget than I expected it to be.

falcon 02-25-2010 07:23 PM

That's what I figured. Looking at pictures of both, the Wilwood seems simpler and easier to use.

Just for kicks... here's a pic of stock 1.6L brakes after 2 session of our local track. Off a friend's turbo miata...

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_30cX7XhDNWI/Se...0/IMG_0722.JPG

JasonC SBB 02-25-2010 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by falcon (Post 528642)
So I'm most likely going to pick these brackets up within the next few weeks.

After reading the thread, there are a few options for balancing the whole system out. What, in your guys opinion is the easiest/bolt on way to balance everything out? 1.8L rears + proportion valve? MSM rear? What has been the easiest set up to make work without fiddling and making a million adjustments?

I wrote a spreadsheet:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t44198/

You will get MUCH better bias by increasing the rear brake torque first, THEN add an adjustable prop valve if you feel it can still be improved. The main advantage is that bias will be closer to correct at a single setting of the adj prop valve, over different surfaces.

The use of the 94~97 1.8 rear rotors with the larger-pistoned 01+ "factory big brakes" rear calipers is a damn near perfect match to an 11" front kit with 2 x 1.38" pistons.

They are $80+ per side at Rockauto. Cheaper and lighter than going to a Goodwin rear BBK or the factory rear big brake rotors + adapters.

falcon 02-25-2010 08:37 PM

The calipers are that much? ($80)?

Are they a bolt on affair without adapters and match the 94-97 rotor?

Who knew you could get a full on big brake kit for so little! I'm starting to like this more and more.

chpmnsws6 02-25-2010 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 528775)
I thought it might be nice for playing with the bias on-track, but for me the Wilwood valve seems to be a lot more set-and-forget than I expected it to be.

Even after an alignment and tire change, my Wilwood proportioning valve was still at or close to optimum (front lock just before the rears)


Originally Posted by falcon (Post 528803)
The calipers are that much? ($80)?

125 each, but that is chump change in the world of real brakes

Are they a bolt on affair without adapters and match the 94-97 rotor?

I assume your talking about the rear brakes? For the rear, M-tuned offers a bracket that allows 94+ non sport owners a way to run larger sport rotors.

Who knew you could get a full on big brake kit for so little! I'm starting to like this more and more.

That is why I went down this road, and I'm sure many more will also :)


Answers within

JasonC SBB 02-26-2010 12:03 PM

2003 (big pistons) rear calipers would bolt onto a 94~00 car using the 94~00 pads and rotors.

chpmnsws6 02-26-2010 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 529036)
2003 (big pistons) rear calipers would bolt onto a 94~00 car using the 94~00 pads and rotors.

Any benefits to them when using an adjustable proportioning valve? hmmm

JasonC SBB 02-26-2010 01:51 PM

Pls re-read my post above, and the thread I linked to.

Oscar 03-24-2010 10:18 AM

Nick/crashnscar, I pm'd you :)

Savington 03-24-2010 01:57 PM

Oscar, Nick is in Canada this week for spring break. If you need a more immediate reply, shoot me a PM or email: info -at- trackspeed engineering -dot- com.

Oscar 03-25-2010 06:01 PM

Sweet, now get me my invoice ;)

hustler 03-25-2010 06:02 PM

this just in...it looks like either my spacers collapsed or my spindle bent, not the brake kit. Yeah!!!!!!!for trackspeed.

webby459 03-25-2010 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 544720)
this just in...it looks like either my spacers collapsed or my spindle bent, not the brake kit. Yeah!!!!!!!for trackspeed.

Wut spacers? Keep us posted, I'm sure you will.

chpmnsws6 04-12-2010 12:09 PM

I just installed these....... WOW, never going back to a traditional caliper. After figuring out how easy it is to install pads, I now know why everyone does street pads and track pads with these calipers.

granth 04-13-2010 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 469450)
5 orders recieved, the price is now $600 for the next 5 What about wheel clearance?
The kit fits on any car with 6ULs. We will try to get a variety of wheels onto my car for fitment testing in the next few weeks.
.

Silly question but got to ask will the 13x8 Rota RB's work with this kit?

tia

Savington 04-13-2010 01:36 PM

Not a chance, Grant. Sorry. :(

hustler 04-13-2010 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by webby459 (Post 544784)
Wut spacers? Keep us posted, I'm sure you will.

I haz dem hoez double stacked now so they clear the wheel.

Oscar 04-13-2010 02:52 PM

how much spacer did you need to run for clearance? I'm getting worried about fitment with my 15x7 +38 K1s now

DontPassTheFence 05-10-2010 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by UrbanSoot (Post 467611)
ill just get it at retail later. need all the money for v8 swap now. as for rear kit - i really dont care how shit looks. i just want it to function and i want to stay away from single piston calipers :)

If you want multiple piston and dont give a shit what it looks like, BOOM-- junkyard FC calipers retro`d onto your existing rear assy. I dont remember how people got that working though, but you are probably smarter than me, right?

hustler 05-10-2010 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Oscar (Post 555702)
how much spacer did you need to run for clearance? I'm getting worried about fitment with my 15x7 +38 K1s now

4mm

Oscar 05-11-2010 02:26 PM

2 Attachment(s)
FYI, Kosei K1 in +38mm offset fit with no problems

crashnscar 05-11-2010 04:20 PM

Awesome. Glad to hear that Oscar.

DLN84 10-03-2010 10:38 PM

What about OEM 10AE wheels?


Originally Posted by granth (Post 555604)
Silly question but got to ask will the 13x8 Rota RB's work with this kit?

tia


falcon 10-03-2010 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by granth (Post 555604)
Silly question but got to ask will the 13x8 Rota RB's work with this kit?

tia

no

Savington 10-03-2010 10:57 PM

IIRC the OEM 10AE wheels are 15x6, which will most likely not fit. The '01+ Sport/Special Edition wheels do fit, however - that is the only OEM wheel that we can confirm fitment on at this time.

hustler 10-03-2010 11:18 PM

I can go outside tomorrow and stack spacers on 99-wheels until they fit.

Adnic69 11-10-2010 10:14 AM

Can you please let me know if these will fit with 7x15 RB's.

hustler 11-10-2010 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 638220)
IIRC the OEM 10AE wheels are 15x6, which will most likely not fit. The '01+ Sport/Special Edition wheels do fit, however - that is the only OEM wheel that we can confirm fitment on at this time.

99 wheels do not fit (including AE wheels).

AdamL 11-11-2010 05:45 AM

Can you confirm if these will fit with 7x15 RB's please.

AdamL 11-11-2010 05:46 AM

Sorry double post!!


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