Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 991803)
you guys are making it too hard.
here's the top 12 reasons Brain thinks you should buy a AFX:
2 - LC-1 User Manual 9 - User Experience 11 -Universal Digital Tuning Products and Tuning Tools from Innovate Motorsports 12 - http://forum.miata.net/vb/showpost.php?p=6177062&postcount=2 Crosspost from miata.net :fawk: |
Brain was original in like 2007.
Now he just copy/pastas everything *edit: actually nvm. he was never original. he just copypastas his previous copypasta:brain: |
i wrote that only a few weeks ago.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 991795)
I like the NTK wideband, I hate the fact that they're morons and refuse to make it with a 52mm round gauge.
It really only does one thing which is control the NTK or Bosch sensor properly, dump out an analog and display the reading on the screen. However, it does that thing better than any other controller up to the $1500 range where you are then comparing ECM product to other ECM product (calibration quality equipment to ther calibration quality equipment).
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 991803)
I only went through this because some of the arguments are just asinine like the range (stop going rich stupid) and having to calibrate often (all units that require calibration have exactly the same requirement, if the NGK people happen to tell you to calibrate more often then they are just asking you to be more diligent but this is happenstance and not a function of product quality). I will stop with threadjack now. Today with the features available, software etc I think I would end up going EMS-4 due to price / performance. Also thinking about the Hydra a little more, each time they are doing an upgrade from say 2.6 to 2.7 they are doing a board change and really offering a different product. Were it AEM they would like give it a new name and consider it an independent product. AEM would keep the old product alive and well with full function and continue to support it. With that said, the Hydra method does force the upgrade path considering it a linear, moving product. Their method is fundamentally unique and a marketing / support nightmare for a reseller. Especially when some versions are just duds. If AEM released a dud independent product, it would get an independent product based bad reputation and simply not sell well. AEM would release a new version, call it something else fix the issues and move on. In the Hydra method a bad product or rev affects the entire line and company in a much more fundamental way. Even if Hydra Nemesis 2.7 is great (and it is MUCH better than 2.6 in so many ways), it will take a long time to flush the bad rep of other recent versions and the upgrade path just tends to leave customers dissatisfied. |
tl;dr the AFX is a joke.
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Everything you just said is a terrible terrible "argument' and Brain is going to have a field day with it.
Just saying Q-Why does the range suck? A-Do you REALLY need a wider range? Q-Why is the packaging bad? A-Do you REALLY need better packaging? Q-Etc A-Stupid pathetic excuses why the product is inferior to everything and counter-questions along the lines "do you absolutely need this?" terrible |
Hey, excuse me I'd like the range to make it somewhere leaner than 17 because lean cruise.
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My car easily cruises above 16.0:1 when i've got it set up for long hauls.
I don't want to sit there watching that stupid box freaking out showing nothing or error or whatever the hell it does. This all said, we've been using it on my buddy's MR2 Turbo for a long time and it's been pretty reliable. The display does suck in sunlight for sure. I'd use one if given to me for free, but i'd never buy one. |
Yeah, so this forum hates the AFX. A continuation should be moved to it's own thread or just end threadjack which was in my "tl;dr". The end of my "tl;dr" is about AEM / Hydra stuff per thread.
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Originally Posted by vtjballeng
(Post 991846)
Also thinking about the Hydra a little more, each time they are doing an upgrade from say 2.6 to 2.7 they are doing a board change and really offering a different product. Were it AEM they would like give it a new name and consider it an independent product. AEM would keep the old product alive and well with full function and continue to support it.
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Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 991872)
I've never owned or used a Hyrda. But I'm just guessing that they do the 'upgrade' thing rather than call it an entirely new product because the features that were advertised for 2.5 didn't actually work until 2.7. If it wasn't an upgrade, they would have even more people pissed at them for that.
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Haha I was sort of joking. If you promise X in 2.5, but it doesn't work, and then you try to release v3.0 with X working, people aren't going to be happy.
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Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 991899)
Haha I was sort of joking. If you promise X in 2.5, but it doesn't work, and then you try to release v3.0 with X working, people aren't going to be happy.
The part that still gets me pissed is that if you pay for extra "unlocks" on an earlier version and you want to upgrade, you have to pay for those same unlocks AGAIN. |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 988636)
I have 2.6 hydra installed on my 64 bit windows 7 PC. The installer just has the dumb and installs half the program to c/program files/hydra and the other half to c/program files (x86)/hydra. I dont even think that would be a problem on a 32 bit windows. The installer also has the dumb and if for some reason you dont have a c drive it wont install at all.
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Originally Posted by devgru38
(Post 997854)
Sorry for the OT, but I just signed into this forum for the first time in years, as I recently obtained Sonny/VagaXT's Hydra 2.6 and couldn't figure out why the hell the installer wasn't working. Google/forum searches gave nothing. I randomly read through this thread, as it was near the top of the forum, and bam, there's my answer. Much thanks
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Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 998095)
Sonny gave me a ride in that car, it's a nice piece.
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Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 988507)
If i'm this pissed now, think how shitty i'd be if i was actually the person that had actually purchased the EMS new and had it installed on my car. (Rhetorically of course, because i'm not actually dumb enough to buy one outright.)
I shudder to think that there's some poor fuckers out there that bought 2.1, and have purchased every upgrade along the way, paying to have their shit retuned every time. It's conceivable to think that someone has $8-$10k in this piece of shit EMS. Good point though Sav. AEM or Haltech are on my short list for this particular car. |
Originally Posted by Ken Hill
(Post 989875)
For the Megasquirt options I went to this website, MegaSquirtPNP Plug-and-Play MegaSquirt Engine Management Systems by DIYAutoTune Megasquirt Kits / Assembled Engine Management Systems, Wideband o2 Sensor Systems and tuning products - DIYAutoTune.com I did not find a plug and play unit for a 2002 car last summer and I do not see one now.
Yes the AEM EMS4 is out there, but it is not a plug in and I did not want to make a harness for it. My car is a daily driver. I expect it to start and idle perfectly with the AC on. I did not get the feeling the the EMS 4 is up to the task of giving me OEM performance. AEM support is good, but not Miata specific. I have set up 24 customer cars with Hydra ECUs. Its a known qunatity for me. Like I said above, I was very impressed by the performance of my customer cars running 2.7 ECUs so I decided it was the best option for me. However the prototype 01+ MSPNP is currently running in my car right now. We were just waiting to knock out a few little things, and those things are now done. Our PIDs work very well, so boost control, idle, VVT, and alternator control all work spectacularly, all closed loop, no excuses. It is MS3 based and will retail for substantially less than Hydra. Expect release shortly. Future firmware updates occur at no charge. The hardware, software, and firmware developers are openly contactable and provide support via email and forums. Do you ever see the developers of Haltech, Hydra, AEM, et all supporting forums and asking users for their feature requests? Common with MegaSquirt. Tuning software is compatible with 32 or 64 bit Windows XP, 7, 8; Linux; Mac OS X 10.5+ Datalog programs are also available on Android. Android tuning interface release expected this summer. Android interfaces communicate via bluetooth, via serial > bluetooth adapter plugged into MegaSquirt. |
Its a race between you and Reverant to see who gets my money for a PnP solution for my 01. Get to it!:party:
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Like I posted in miata.net, you can get a Basic MS3 for the 01-05 from us. VVT control included.
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