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Hyrda should have been ditched eight years ago...
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Originally Posted by blackandblown
(Post 1473008)
Hydra ECU.... premium service and customized system
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I'm not surprised to see the end of the Hydra. I bought mine about two years ago. I was on the fence between Megasquirt and Hydra. Bottom line was Jeremy from FM returned my call. Reverent of Megasquirt fame didn't return an e-mail or PM. I know that Megasquirt is a good product, but the alphabet of choices MS DIY PNP Pro 3 MS 2 Pro MS VVT controller, etc, etc. My Hydra 2.7 started right up, ran well out of the box and has just required some tuning to make it idle well with A/C on. I was able to tune for power, thanks to an easy to use data log setup and a knock sensor. The software is complex, but has lots in the way of help menus. Bottom line. I may have done better by buying a Megasquirt, but my Hydra equipped car is running really well and I have lifetime support. I am confident that FM will honor that commitment. I'm not pleased, but not worried. Paul |
Its not not really the end of the Hydra , FM is just stopping selling new units. As much as I feel like they're abandoning us , realistically they couldn't keep selling new units forever. It was aimed at NA and NB Miatas , a shrinking market these days. Let's face it they're getting to be old cars . Most that were destined to be modified , have been . It's not like Jeremy is going erase all his Hydra knowledge and tuning work. Ken Hill is still out there too for tuning , with great reviews. Support for Hydra customers will remain for some time yet. For some reason the Hydra is very popular in the Subaru world and I'm sure it'll continue to be used and supported there as well . Fredb
Originally Posted by pmhellings
(Post 1473206)
I'm not surprised to see the end of the Hydra. I bought mine about two years ago. I was on the fence between Megasquirt and Hydra. Bottom line was Jeremy from FM returned my call. Reverent of Megasquirt fame didn't return an e-mail or PM. I know that Megasquirt is a good product, but the alphabet of choices MS DIY PNP Pro 3 MS 2 Pro MS VVT controller, etc, etc. My Hydra 2.7 started right up, ran well out of the box and has just required some tuning to make it idle well with A/C on. I was able to tune for power, thanks to an easy to use data log setup and a knock sensor. The software is complex, but has lots in the way of help menus. Bottom line. I may have done better by buying a Megasquirt, but my Hydra equipped car is running really well and I have lifetime support. I am confident that FM will honor that commitment. I'm not pleased, but not worried. Paul |
For some reason the Hydra is very popular in the Subaru world and I'm sure it'll continue to be used and supported there as well . Fredb |
Shrinking market? Better introduce another ecu that nobody else uses and will require support as well.
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If I had to guesstimate: Subaru is like 79% cobb and 20% opensource with maybe, maybe 1% standalone use for the serious racers who need absurd control of their monstrous builds or all out racecars.
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Ya , I don't get the FM 221 thing at all , at this stage it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to bring a new ECU to market . Presumably FM needed something more price competitive than the Hydra , and couldn't or didn't want to sell Mega Squirt. Not heavily into the Subaru thing but local to me the Hydra is know and coveted among a number of the Subaru guys I know . Don't quite get it myself , just relaying what I've been told. Fredb |
Originally Posted by pmhellings
(Post 1473206)
I'm not surprised to see the end of the Hydra. I bought mine about two years ago. I was on the fence between Megasquirt and Hydra. Bottom line was Jeremy from FM returned my call. Reverent of Megasquirt fame didn't return an e-mail or PM. I know that Megasquirt is a good product, but the alphabet of choices MS DIY PNP Pro 3 MS 2 Pro MS VVT controller, etc, etc. My Hydra 2.7 started right up, ran well out of the box and has just required some tuning to make it idle well with A/C on. I was able to tune for power, thanks to an easy to use data log setup and a knock sensor. The software is complex, but has lots in the way of help menus. Bottom line. I may have done better by buying a Megasquirt, but my Hydra equipped car is running really well and I have lifetime support. I am confident that FM will honor that commitment. I'm not pleased, but not worried. Paul |
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Originally Posted by fredb
(Post 1473226)
the Hydra is know and coveted among a number of the Subaru guys I know . |
Imma just leave this here.
:party: Oh. And on my third day of employment at FM, I was tossed the keys to Igor and asked to "figure out" why the NB wouldn't start anymore. And that, folks was my introduction the ME221/FM221 project. Six months later I walked out, truck full of parts purchased with my employee discount, and dusted my hands of that entire fiasco. I wish FM all the best. Again, the guys are great and I'll just say that once again, the techs don't control what the company sells or supports or even ships. It does look like with their new GM things are starting to become more modern and present day, so that's a big plus. With regards to what ECU offerings they have (and why) it's pretty easy to see that FM prefers to be "exclusive" with their offerings. |
Element tuning bought hydra
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I bought mine mine because I wanted a plug and play mature product with solid support. I am not really smart enough to tune an ecu. But I am smart enough to realize that. The solid support may turn out to be quicksand. And I haven't even started the damn engine yet! |
Don't sweat it. If the unit fails under warranty, you'll be covered. If it fails after the warranty period, you can still get it fixed by Nemesis EMS (it's pretty reliable and, even if it does have an issue, repairs are usually reasonable). The base maps are solid and the ECU will self-tune as you drive it. The only fiddling you might have to do is for cold start or idle control and FM will still support you in that regard (as will they for any tuning help you need). I have two Hydras (my L.E. street car and MSM track car) and this news bothers me not one whit.
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Originally Posted by Robin-42
(Post 1475046)
I bought mine mine because I wanted a plug and play mature product with solid support. I am not really smart enough to tune an ecu. But I am smart enough to realize that. The solid support may turn out to be quicksand. And I haven't even started the damn engine yet! Paul |
Originally Posted by DeerHunter
(Post 1475173)
Don't sweat it. If the unit fails under warranty, you'll be covered. If it fails after the warranty period, you can still get it fixed by Nemesis EMS (it's pretty reliable and, even if it does have an issue, repairs are usually reasonable). The base maps are solid and the ECU will self-tune as you drive it. The only fiddling you might have to do is for cold start or idle control and FM will still support you in that regard (as will they for any tuning help you need). I have two Hydras (my L.E. street car and MSM track car) and this news bothers me not one whit.
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Well, that's discouraging. Maybe I'm bothered after all.
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Originally Posted by blackandblown
(Post 1473008)
In my INBOX was a flyer from Flyin Miata which indicated that they are abandoning the Hydra ECU. As a person that dug deep into my pocket to buy a premium service and customized system, this is troubling. I realize the flyer said they will continue to support the Hydra's that were sold through them but I'm rather concerned about the "what if's" that now come into my mind. What if my Hydra quits working? What if it works erratically and needs diagnosed? What if it quits working in 3 years?
I make no claims to be anything more than a user in this field so bare with my ignorance regarding standalone ECU's. Is there's a wiring harness and a version of MegaSquirt that will slip right in and everything will be just fine?? So chime in with your thoughts/plans, those with Hydra's; what do you think? Should I go into a hoarder mode and try and get another (very expensive) Hydra unit to set on the shelf as a back-up or is that not the best option here? |
and for those of you that think the hydra is crap ...go tell that to phil while he is on the podium winning time attack events with the hydra ..I would put phils tuning with the hydra vs any megasquirt or cobb tuner with a subaru or now ls in his LS scion ..you miata guys don't need to worry phil didn't buy the rights to discontinue the hydra that he uses in both his time attack cars his LS scion and STi ..the only reason the cobb is more popular is because every tuner in the nation knows how to tune with it .most tuners talk crap about the hydra simply because they haven't got the knowledge to tune with it .Phil personally tunes my STi with the hydra and mine has been running 700whp for 4 years now
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