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kotomile 06-20-2008 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by nester (Post 274045)
.. but if you weren't ever going to buy one, what does all that bitching get you?

95% of the functionality for 40% of the price..

:magna:

sorry couldn't help myself.

nester 06-20-2008 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 274053)
95% of the functionality for 40% of the price..

:magna:

sorry couldn't help myself.

Do you have to bitch about the Hydra to get that pricing?

kotomile 06-20-2008 04:04 PM

I believe it's a requirement, yes.

y8s 06-20-2008 04:13 PM

i think 95 is too generous. it's probably more like 80%.

when's the ultramegasquirt or ms3 come out? then it'll be comparable.

Saml01 06-20-2008 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 273800)
The Hydra does tons of things the MS doesn't. Do a little research and you'll quickly see how the Hydra has pretty much unlimited I/O where the MS is basically tapped out.

Full sequential fuel, full sequntial ignition, 3D VVT control, super huge resolution tables. Is this describing MS or Hydra? :giggle:

Now you got me curious?

Who makes the hydra and where do I get info?

jayc72 06-20-2008 04:31 PM

After 10sec typing in "Hydra Nemesis" into Google I got this.

http://www.hydraems.com/

J.T. 06-20-2008 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 273800)
The Hydra does tons of things the MS doesn't. Do a little research and you'll quickly see how the Hydra has pretty much unlimited I/O where the MS is basically tapped out.

Full sequential fuel, full sequntial ignition, 3D VVT control, super huge resolution tables. Is this describing MS or Hydra? :giggle:

See, that I didn't know. But then the question I'd pose to myself was, do I need all that for a street/strip car that isn't used to compete in like professional events? My personal answer is probably not, but I could see where others would want it.

Saml01 06-20-2008 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by jayc72 (Post 274076)
After 10sec typing in "Hydra Nemesis" into Google I got this.

http://www.hydraems.com/

Sick, it has a built in knock sensor? Am I understanding that correctly?

Faeflora 06-21-2008 02:28 AM

I'm all eager about sending my hydra back and not being able to drive anywhere for a week (miata is my only car) and paying for the privilege of suck. The bits and pieces I've seen about the upgrade seems neato though. I would have bought a MS though if MSPNP was around back then. And if I knew it was an ECU and not a WI system :(.

Is there an "open source" way to view the hydra logs? Excel graphing is kind of crappy...

Ben 06-21-2008 07:33 AM

Maybe FM can do some sort of credit card secured advance shipment for you? That would be a good business model at least.

nester 06-21-2008 11:18 AM

Any of the log analysis software should be able to import CSV..

Also, it's not like this is a forced upgrade.. your car is not going to stop running if you don't step up to 2.6. We're not upgrading any of our 2.5 cars, but we'll be doing 2.6 on all the future ones.

Savington 06-22-2008 01:37 AM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 273600)
Month 13 and 10k miles. Car still runs.

About 2 weeks from my 1 year anniversary and 15k+ miles on it.

cjernigan 06-22-2008 01:49 AM


Originally Posted by faeflora (Post 274216)
I'm all eager about sending my hydra back and not being able to drive anywhere for a week (miata is my only car) and paying for the privilege of suck. The bits and pieces I've seen about the upgrade seems neato though. I would have bought a MS though if MSPNP was around back then. And if I knew it was an ECU and not a WI system :(.

Is there an "open source" way to view the hydra logs? Excel graphing is kind of crappy...

You can view the hydra logs in megalogviewer. You can find the download by googling it. Y8s knows more about this.

y8s 06-22-2008 12:23 PM

yeah, MLV will work. it'll display them fine. search for my MAP thread about how to get a real "MAP" graph instead of boost/vac. you dont nee to register it to use it.

still, I strongly feel the improvement in datalogging capabilities is worth the upgrade time and cost from 2.5 to 2.6.

shailoche 03-10-2009 11:01 PM

I am new here...first post...so please be kind.
One thing I have found is that sometimes the seller is not privy to the fact that a newer or more feature rich product is coming out. Even if they are there are situations where non-disclosure agreements (the dreaded NDA) prevent them from telling you to wait for the new product.

With that said...I would still be a little bent about buying a new ECU and then finding out that a newer, better, faster, and stronger solution was "just" made available.

my 2 cents.

18psi 03-10-2009 11:03 PM

even if you're new: THE DAMN THREAD YOU REVIVED IS OVER 6 MONTHS OLD!!!!!!!! stop fucking doing that:mad:


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