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60k M3...
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Hah! Nice.
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Retarded. Seriously retarded. The whole thing.
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awesome
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well good for him, picked up a new car for a killer price.
would miataturbo back me had some dealer been shady on a new miata hahaha! |
Only if you were planning on turbo'ing it. If you were going to keep it stock or add IRTBs, you'd have to look elsewhere :)
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How much do M3's normally sell for?
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Originally Posted by Newbsauce
(Post 233250)
Only if you were planning on turbo'ing it. If you were going to keep it stock or add IRTBs, you'd have to look elsewhere :)
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Originally Posted by levnubhin
(Post 233258)
How much do M3's normally sell for?
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So an M3 can be nearly 100k? Arent M5's around that price? Or for that matter that ugly new Nissan?
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hell, we used to "adjust" prices on toyota priuses by 3-5K depending on option package they had
not just when new, well into its production cycle supply<demand=mark-up |
WOW, thats nuts! Wait 1 year and they will all be 20k cheaper.
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Not in Canada! The dealer can not ad in a markup value, the most they can sell for is MSRP + options. Those "options" can include dealer bullshit at a huge markup, but there is no way you'd ever see this type of insanity.
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floor mats-$15,000
rain-x window treatment-$2500 trunk mat-$2000 etc. there are always ways in the auto industry |
Not in the clear yet.
Hey guys Sorry I havent been posting any updates, I apologize for that as I have been under a gag order, and couldnt talk. These past 2 days, which have felt like an eternity have been pretty frustating, as Im not one to keep it all bottled up inside of me. So here is where we are at. Up to now, I think a somewhat rosy outlook was kind of intimated, as I myself had posted that we were working towards resolution. Im not so sure of that. This whole ordeal, to say the least has been pretty stressful, and I never imagined it would get this big. Not to mention uncharted territory for me. I now have an attorney representing me. I got in touch with Scott Tepper, who specializes in internet law and business litigation. Scott has been phenomenal, and his experience in these types of cases really show. On monday, everything culminated into a huge firestorm at the dealer. Channel 8 news was calling for a interview, in addition to the BBB, Ebay, CNN and MSNBC. All wanting to speak to the dealer in regards to these sales practives. So thats what was happening as I spoke to the dealer on monday morning. So the dealership proposed "conditions" as part of the deal. First, they wanted to say I could not sell for a number of years. This condition has since been removed, thanks to Scott. The one that really bothers me though, is this one. The dealership wanted me to assist in defusing the situation, in letting the sites I contacted know that I was getting my deal. I didnt mind doing that,as long I was JUST that. I had no intention of becoming a pawn for this dealer, not after the way they treated me! SO I went out and contacted Channel 8, Ebay, BBB and m3post to let everyone know things were moving in a positive direction. But in subsequent conversations, I got placed under the impression that the dealership really isnt sorry for anything they have done here. Their attitude, it seemed was that I am to blame for the firestorm that culminated, implying that I wasnt being proactive enough in getting the word out Hello? Did you not see the international outrage from this situation? Root cause, gentleman. Introspection.Why are hundred of thousands of people around the world so pissed? Until they get it, im under the impression that nothing will change. All the above is just Did anyone see this newspaper article? Absolutely ridiculous! http://www.journalstar.com/articles/...e060113124.txt “These bloggers out there, they have lots of time on their hands to do this.” Did it ever occur to the dealership that they created a situation that compelled complete strangers to MAKE time? They dont get it, if they cant see that. So Im left as confused as ever. So as you can see, it hasnt exactly been smooth sailing here. I'll post again when I have an update. Thanks Ken |
what a whiney little doucher
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Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 233699)
what a whiney little doucher
Hey, no way! Some dink on eBay named Dino from Guelph Ontario did the same thing to me. I was pretty pissed. He wouldn't honor the deal, not my fault he didn't have a reserve. |
It's bad ethics on the dealer's behalf. None the less, he said that he could have gotten the car in the colors he wanted for just a few grand more. Now the dude's got a lawyer on retainer, so he'll get the car in the color he doesn't want, deal with aggravation, deal with out of state transportation, waste a bunch of time, and probably spend more money. So he's a doucher. He had the right to be pissed, but now he's only bringing misery on himself.
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Sometimes in life its about sticking it to the man instead of bending over and taking it in the ass.
Problem is, too many companies and even people think they can do stuff like that people, and while his lawyer may be free, and the aggravation not worth a heart attack and all the other related bs, its good that he's doing what 99% of the rest of the people out there wouldn't do. Let them honor their contract. I am sure if it were to turn into a civil matter they would have to pay his lawyer fees as well as other costs associated to their breach of contract. Only people that are douchers are those that get fucked and accept it. |
It'll take 3 years before it gets to court. By then, the M3 will be old news.
I agree that some things are worth it. This is not one of those things. I've had one of these civil matters before. The lawyer got nearly half. Gained a little satisfaction, and a lot of stress. Wasn't worth it in the end. |
I don't feel sorry for anyone that has 60 grand to blow on a car, whether they got screwed or not.
Agree with Ben, he's being a dickhead. |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 233774)
It'll take 3 years before it gets to court. By then, the M3 will be old news.
I agree that some things are worth it. This is not one of those things. I've had one of these civil matters before. The lawyer got nearly half. Gained a little satisfaction, and a lot of stress. Wasn't worth it in the end. Good for him for doing what's right :bigtu:
Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 233777)
I don't feel sorry for anyone that has 60 grand to blow on a car, whether they got screwed or not.
Agree with Ben, he's being a dickhead. doucher comment. |
besides he said nothing about being able to pay down immediately in full cash for the M3. He just said that he called his bank to make preparations for payment. sounds like it could have easily been a call that included a loan.
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Originally Posted by Rick
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Sometimes principal is worth more. You should be applauding him for doing what you wouldn't. Doesn't cost you time or energy and hes sticking it to a dealership that would stick it to you if you walked in there.
Good for him for doing what's right :bigtu: Hope he gets what he wants in the end. |
this whole thing is more for publicity, if i really wanted an M3 and could barely afford it, ie. get a loan, then i would go after them as well, especially if the lawyer was free...the dealer will hold you to your commitment, why not do the same to them if you have the means and time...
i would have probalby just said "fuck you" and walked away when they state that this was a mistake auction...i dont have the time nor means, props to this guy, like rick said, 99% would not so what he is doing, and he is right in doing so... |
Originally Posted by Rick
(Post 233780)
completely retarded comment. Whats money have to do with whats right and wrong.
Two wrongs don't make a right, and being a whiney twit about it doesn't make your case any more correct. His self-righteous indignation is all too prevalent among the entitlement crowd. Screwing "the man" just means the costs get passed on to everyone. So, now that place is gonna soak a few more people on service calls to make up for their costs. So, he got a fancy new overpriced car to complement his inflated ego and offset his small dick. Goody for him. |
It's not like they made an obvious mistake in listing the car. They didn't make a mistake advertise it for $6000, but the MSRP of $60K. The dealer should be held to it, it isn't like they have paid BMW $90,000 for the car and are losing $30,000.
rleete, you seem to know a lot about the guys genitals. Friend of yours? How the fuck is it wrong that he is holding the dealer to their word? Try to get out of a lease with the same dealer and see how willing they are to help you when you make a mistake. Shouldn't matter if this was a Miata, a BMW or a Ferrari. It is the principal. I can't beliive anyone would stand up for a BMW dealer. I'm surprised BMW corporate hasn't stepped in on this. This is bad publicity for them, but most people won't have any sympathy for a guy buying a $60,000 car. |
I'm not standing up for the dealership, who I think are being dickheads, too.
But I'm not sympathyzing with a guy that can drop 60 grand on a car over the fucking internet like most of us would for say, a shift knob. |
Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 233777)
I don't feel sorry for anyone that has 60 grand to blow on a car, whether they got screwed or not.
Agree with Ben, he's being a dickhead. The guy wants to spend his money, they wont honor his contract. That sir, is bullshit. |
Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 233799)
I disagree. He's whining that he didn't get his way.
Had he walked away from the deal and they had full intention to sell the car, they would have been pissed too, maybe they would have chased him. He's the consumer and he has a right to be upset. He accepted their terms and they modified it.
Originally Posted by rleete
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Not that the dealer isn't at fault, too. But that's the game if you want the latest "fashion" in cars. Look at the thread on the markup of Mustangs. Maybe not "right", but you pay or walk, simple as that. Maybe the auction should have said "license and dealer fees extra", and they could have tacked on the huge markup.
The game isn't that the consumer gets screwed, at least that is a game that doesn’t interest me to play. You may accept that fact that when you go buy a car and they jack the price by 10k you are willing to pay it or go home with your tail tucked between your legs, but some people wouldn't, he didn't. You are right, maybe the auction should have been a lot more thorough and it would have made these problems not exist, but the issue is, it didn't say that.
Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 233799)
Two wrongs don't make a right, and being a whiney twit about it doesn't make your case any more correct. His self-righteous indignation is all too prevalent among the entitlement crowd.
A deal is a deal.
Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 233799)
Screwing "the man" just means the costs get passed on to everyone. So, now that place is gonna soak a few more people on service calls to make up for their costs.
It can be flipped the other way as well. They see that they can pull these scams on people and since no one does anything, they continue to do it to everyone everywhere gets screwed anyways, what's the problem with keeping them honest? He’s doing a service for his BMW community. Should we protect industry members or shops that do that here to members ?
Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 233799)
So, he got a fancy new overpriced car to complement his inflated ego and offset his small dick. Goody for him.
Originally Posted by miatamania
(Post 233822)
I agree with rick, you are a tool.
The guy wants to spend his money, they wont honor his contract. That sir, is bullshit. |
Originally Posted by miatamania
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I agree with rick, you are a tool.
The guy wants to spend his money, they wont honor his contract. That sir, is bullshit. Plain and simple. I can probably accurately say that any of you acting like youre above this situation and would have just dropped it are full of it. youve never been to a store that claimed to have an item on sale only to find out it was a "mistake" and not been pissed? |
it's easy to spot a democrat from a republican....always use the "he's rich" defense.
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Not hardly. I'm as about as dyed-in-the-wool conservative as you will likely ever find.
But, like religion, arguing about this ain't gonna change either of our minds. |
the dealership employee who put the car up on ebay should have known that there was some risk of a low winning bid, they should have taken mesures to mitigate this risk, ebay makes this very easy, but they chose not to.
my view is the auction was legitimate and the sale should be made with no more conditions then the ones listed on the original auction listing as long as he can make what ever payment arrangements were listed as acceptable the car should be his. if i win an auction i feel entitled to the listing and accountable for the terms of my bid. yes, good for him for getting a screaming deal! |
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