It's going to be more difficult to find something with component outputs, after HDCP caught on, Component outputs pretty much went the way of the Sony Beta.
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Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 872003)
It's going to be more difficult to find something with component outputs, after HDCP caught on, Component outputs pretty much went the way of the Sony Beta.
All of them still seem to offer composite (?!?) but none with component. What the heck is up with that? The WD box is looking like the answer. |
composite is analog, component is digital. HDMI carries the same video signal as component, but HDMI can be secured with HDCP. Component cannot be secured. The media industry has decided that it doesn't want to make it possible for you to play their hi-definition content over unsecured connections, and as such, the labels decided that they weren't going to support hi-definition playback through unsecured methods. As a result, labels began adopting the HDCP standard for their blu-ray disks. An HDCP blu-ray will only work in an HDCP Compliant blu-ray player, and an HDCP Blu-ray player will only output video to an HDCP compliant TV. (Here's a trick, connect an old computer monitor to your computer video card, then load up a blu-ray video into your computer and try to play it on the old monitor - guess what: not only will the video not work, but chances are, your monitor will display something along the lines of "display does not support secure content".
Not only are blu-ray movies affected; PS3 content, PC games, your cable box, and even your satellite TV reciever are HDCP compliant if they output to HDMI. Chances are: if they also output to component, you're only getting a 720 signal through the component connection...at best. How does HDCP work? Companies that want to produce HDCP compatible displays get the little security box and are given a code from the HDCP standards people for their little box. The display output (the blu-ray player/cable box/video card/etc.) pings the display for its model-unique code on connection. If the display returns a valid code, the player then begins streaming video signal to the display. If at any time the connection is broken, the output will wait until it again receives a valid HDCP code from another display. To get valid HDCP codes, a manufacturer has to follow certain rules, such as: all HDCP capable devices must frustrate attempts to hack the encrypted signal. In addition, the HDCP Standards people have the ability to issue revocations on their HDCP security codes if they find that a manufacturer isn't following the guidelines. Basically all new blu-ray disks have a "disable code" sector, and if you're a rogue manufacturer your device's codes will get applied to the disable code sector. Once a device reads the disable code, it will add that code to it's "do not play" list, and all displays with that HDCP code will no longer work with the player. (I also believe that the player will send a sort of "self-destruct" signal to the display, permanently rendering it useless for HDCP playback, but don't quote me on that) This makes media labels happy, because you can't copy their hi-definition content and share it across the internet (or so they want you to think - fukcing retards). Side note: Devices which can record content cannot receive HDCP signals. Secondary note: your home DVR does not actually recieve an HDCP signal - it recieves a signal which is scrambled by your provider, and then stored (under a different type of encryption) to an internal hard drive. The HDCP encryption only ever happens when your receiver *outputs* the video. The same can be said for the Playstation 3 - though people who have worked a lot with PS3 components know that the PS3 used to have an unencrypted hard drive, which was then encrypted specific to the PS3s serial number through a system update - again this was done for copy protection. So: no recording your favorite TV series onto computer hard drive/BD-R disks for future playback - you can record them to your DVR, and then when your DVR is full, you can delete them - that's all the recording capacity you get. How do you get around these problems? As you can tell, I've reasearched the issue at least a little bit, and I've only found one solution to the problem, though I haven't found that I needed to buy one. I won't go into details, but you can read more here: Buy an HDFury III www.hdfury.com In further news, sometime in 2010/2011, someone cracked the algorythm for HDCP codes; basically, this means that they could come up with HDCP codes and create HDCP compliant recorders/strippers to the masses. The HDCP revocation method provides a "feel-good" to the media, but there are two easy workarounds to HDCP Revocation: 1: if you can come up with your own HDCP codes, then you can assign a unique HDCP code to every single serial number, which would make it completely impossible for the HDCP people to do anything about it. (Manufacturers are generally granted only one HDCP code for an entire model line, or multiple models within the same family, which means that one or few HDCP revocations would normally be all that is needed to eliminate rogue devices) The second option, of course, is to ID the HDCP code found in a popular manufacturer's displays. If, for instance, I grabbed an LG-owned HDCP code and provided recording devices with LGs code, the HDCP people would have 2 options: 1. Do nothing. To the masses, "doing nothing" won't make a difference. 2. Revoke LGs HDCP code. LG didn't do anything wrong, so it wouldn't make sense to punish them; furthermore, it would completely undermine the legitimacy of HDCP, as tens of thousands of consumers would have expensive TVs which just stopped working, at no fault of their own or their manufacturer. Consumers would probably band together, get with lawmakers, and make HDCP (or revokation) illegal. For the HDCP people, this is the end of their careers. |
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 872066)
component is digital.
Component video, in the purest sense, simply means that the three primary color signals (or some mathematical derivation thereof) are carried separately, rather than being modulated together on a carrier, thus preserving their fidelity and preventing color artifacts (eg, dot-crawl) which invariably occur with phase-modulated composite color. There are two common forms of discrete component video interface in wide use today. Most of us are familiar with the first one by a different name: VGA. This standard was predominant in computing from the early 1990s until just very recently, having been superseded by a combination of DVI-D, HDMI, DisplayPort, and other digital technologies. In the VGA system, red, green and blue are represented by analog voltages carried on three separate wires, where each voltage corresponds directly to the intensity of that particular color for whichever pixel is being scanned at any given instant. Horizontal and vertical sync are carried on two other wires. Within the domain of "consumer video" (eg, television, home theater), the phrase Component Video usually refers to an analog standard defined by CEA-770.3, in which the three discrete wires are used, which represent Y(Luma, or total brightness), PB (B-Y, or the difference between Luma and Blue) and PR (R-Y, or the difference between Luma and Red.) Sync is achieved by out-of-bounds voltages overlaid on the Y wire during the blanking intervals, when it is not being used to carry valid video information. (This is similar to the Sync-on-Green RGB systems used by SGI and Sun.) This system is slightly more complex than pure RGB, however it has the advantage of decreasing the total bandwidth required to carry the signal as compared to a pure RGB stream of the same resolution and fidelity, while still achieving complete color separation at the far end. It is, in essence, a form of lossless analog compression, which dates back to 1982 and the release of Sony's professional-grade Betacam videocassette standard. Now, it is certainly possible to use a component encoding process in any digital carrier to achieve the same bandwidth economy as described above, and for the same reasons. Such schemes are typically referred to as YCBCR to distinguish them from their analog counterpart, and they represent only one of many possible encoding schemes which can be utilized within any common digital interface. More importantly, however, the term "Component Video" is almost never used within the consumer marketplace to refer to any digital interface, regardless of the content of the data which it is carrying, as unlike the analog standard known as "Component Video", in the digital domain it does not describe any specific physical interface. HDMI carries the same video signal as component, but HDMI can be secured with HDCP. So, that's one enthusiastic vote for a box which I can't get in the states, one enthusiastic vote for the WD box, and one extremely enthusiastic vote for a solution which is irrelevant to my needs. Leaning in the WD direction. |
I find my Roku 2 pretty good for the price of 50 bucks... HMDI, wireless, 1080p and pretty reliable.
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Have you tried something like Tversity instead of WMP?
Tversity "knows" what your box supports natively and will stream it the same as WMP. It will also demux/transcode if necessary. I've used it to watch 1080P mkv files without issue on my PS3. Only drawback would be the PC running the Tversity has to be somewhat capable to transcode large files. Might be worth a try since it's free. . . |
Originally Posted by Pen2_the_penguin
(Post 872651)
I find my Roku 2 pretty good for the price of 50 bucks... HMDI, wireless, 1080p and pretty reliable.
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So I picked up the Western Digital player over the weekend. So far, I'm pretty happy with it. It's not perfect, but it does what I need.
Pros:
Cons:
All in all, I'm pretty happy. Until my trusty ole' triple-CRT projector finally ѕhits the bed and forces me to downgrade to a modern TV with an HDMI / VGA input, I do believe that this box will do nicely. |
now that Joe is satisfied and has his analog YPbPr solution, what would you all recommend for the same device for a TV that can use HDMI?
The WD is still interesting since it has the ability to send video out to other monitors. |
See my post.
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Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 875088)
now that Joe is satisfied and has his analog YPbPr solution, what would you all recommend for the same device for a TV that can use HDMI?
Based on the sluggishness of the UI and the crappy remote, I have a hard time believing that the WD is the absolute best solution available, although I'm far from dis-satisfied with it. It simply happened to be the best one I would find which had Component out.
Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 875088)
The WD is still interesting since it has the ability to send video out to other monitors.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 875156)
Huh?
my bad it streams to DNLA devices. and so does my NAS. |
just learned that this thing does TUNE IN radio.
Can you check if it will play "SOMA FM Indie Pop Rocks" station, Joe? That may solidify that it is the box to go with. Also I see there are hacked firmwares out there for it. Nerds. |
TL;DR
Just picked up a WD TV Live for $99 new (non refurb) and it does everything. Plays 1080p mkv dts files was the biggest want and it does it over wireless from my slow nas with only about 3 sec of dead air before play back starts. Gf says get a apple 2 and jail brake it. |
Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 875228)
just learned that this thing does TUNE IN radio.
Can you check if it will play "SOMA FM Indie Pop Rocks" station, Joe? That may solidify that it is the box to go with. You really should be listening to a local radio station, though. This internet radio thing is just a part of the international communist conspiracy designed to sap and impurify your precious bodily fluids.
Originally Posted by jeff_man
(Post 875449)
Just picked up a WD TV Live for $99 new (non refurb) and it does everything. Plays 1080p mkv dts files was the biggest want and it does it over wireless from my slow nas with only about 3 sec of dead air before play back starts.
Originally Posted by jeff_man
(Post 875449)
Gf says get a apple 2 and jail brake it.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 875467)
It shows up in the list, though for some reason I'm not getting any audio on that channel. Not sure if I'm doing it right.
You really should be listening to a local radio station, though. This internet radio thing is just a part of the international communist conspiracy designed to sap and impurify your precious bodily fluids. I remain impure. |
I meant to re-check this last night, but I got hung up fiddling with the fitment of the new rear wheel to the chassis. It's rubbing the brake caliper, so I've got a bit of light fabrication to do.
While I was working on this in the living room, I was watching an old Modern Marvels show about the evolution of modern candy production. Fascinating stuff (seriously.) Still quite happy with the WD box, and I finally figured out a trick with the remote. There is one button on it (the "enter" button in the middle of the d-pad section) which has a different tactile presentation from all the others- its surface is slightly domed, and thus it can be used as a "home" button to determine the relative positions of the other common buttons. Play/pause, for instance, is two above the home key, and then RW & FF are immediately to the left and right of that. And you're still a communist bastard. |
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