x_25

Serious about the electric super. Its a 5kw brushless electric motor connected to a centripital (centrifugal? Whatever, you know what I mean) compressor. 1.3PR max, up to 400cfm or so at 1.2PR. Not a ton, but cool.

If my miata was street only and I only needed bost for short bits and then could let the 24v battery pack recharge (they hold enough for 60-90sec of contonuous boost) I would be playing with one.

18psi

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just no

x_25

Well I think they are cool.

z31maniac

The electric superchargers are completely stupid. That's why they have such a limited market.

18psi

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You're carrying around all that extra weight and inlet restriction all the time, for 2-3psi worth of boost, and a really mediocre power bump for a limited time, from time to time. Maybe in the future they will keep revising/improving that setup to make it cool, but so far I just don't see it.

astral

Lmao, completely serious... I just test drove one yesterday with the premiere package... beautiful car... on the inside at least.

Turns out, those claims about quick/fast, nimble, fun, well... no. The lady asks me "it's pretty fast isn't it?" meanwhile, I just got out of my Evo. "No, no it's not.".

Still a great commuter car though IMO.

x_25

Duno how much of a restriction they are, but considering it would be running at anything past 80% throttle, I don't see it as an issue. It is 5psi in the midrange. For a street driven commuter, where you are only going to get to use it here and there anyway, I think it is a wonderful solution for a cheap, easy, reversable torque bump. And extra weight is what, 20lbs-30lb?

18psi

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It needs to power up at least partially just to spin just to not cause a restriction under normal vacuum driving. And then it needs to recover after getting drained, taxing the car's electrical system.

I dunno, I just don't see the appeal here. I'm open to being proven wrong tho.

How much are they? I didn't see prices listed. It better be under 1k

x_25

I don't remeber how much the regular kits are, developers kits are $1200ish (depends on exchange rate cause they are a canadian company)

90s of boost is a long time to be at or near WOT, and it is just two 18ah batteries for the dump pack. So not any worse than charging your regular battery. They say about 8sec of charging for 1sec of boost (wish they would give charging and useage currents).

Also, for normal vavcume driving, I don't see why some restriction is an issue? Your throttle plate is a bigger restriction than it is going to be.

Gimpster

Sorry to come into this late, but people post all the time how the Golf R is "down on power", but with a tune... the DSG's are high 11 second cars it seems.

That said, I had a '15 MK7 GTI (manual) and ditched it after 7 months, thankfully I got out clean. My GTI had epic electrical, mechanical gremlins they never could fix. The fit and finish of my GTI was pure *** as well. I bought the car on a whim during dieselgate because I got it cheap. At least the R is made in the EU still, or it was when I got my GTI. I had a JB1 on my MK7, and while not aggressive as a tune, I could have it removed in 5 minutes with no tools should I have to visit a dealer. Which was, unfortunately, a common occurrence. In hindsight, I think I would have bought an R and I'd likely still have it.

VW/Audi Is very.. very... good at catching people with tunes.

Now I DD a Nissan LEAF I lease for $129/month because I get free charging at work, and I've pretty much given up on the whole "fun DD" ****. I actually have come to really enjoy daily driving an EV. I have done ******* nothing to this car except rotate the tires. Nissan is paying me to drive it basically at this price.

patsmx5

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+1, C63 is a very fun daily. Used ones go fairly cheap like most AMG's out of warranty. Also you can buy an extended warranty if you prefer to pay upfront for peace of mind, plenty of folks do that since a lot of stupid things can break that are expensive.

Overall mine has been pretty reliable. I blew a speaker that I need to get fixed, and the ECU died on it one day and took out four coil packs with it. Other than that it's been pretty good. Car is a '14 so a touch over 3 years old, and 28K miles so far.

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lol no offense, but ecu going out at 28k? that's just pathetic, and the reason why MB is essentially worthless outside the warranty

Gimpster

It's interesting to see how people who own expensive vehicles like that will tolerate failures like that. Tesla's are the same, they fail spectacularly at times but the owners always justify it somehow. I'm not saying that to be abrasive, but its just been my observation. More power to the folks who have the money and time to deal with things like that.

Meanwhile, the average 92 Honda Accord is on the road still with never a wrench turned on it.

patsmx5

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It is stupid, I agree.

Actually they had the timing covers off to change the cam phaser thingies (oh yeah, those have failed too, common problem on this engine) and when they put it back together, they left a ground wire off or loose. Supposedly when the ECU died and the coils died, they found a loose ground wire and said that's probably why the ECU and coils died in the first place.

Still broke, and it sucks. But the car is fun as hell and I love it. Despite the problems this car has, the C63 is the most reliable AMG Mercedes has ever made... The E and S class can be insane to repair out of warranty. My C class is a much simpler car with a lot less to break compared to those.

patsmx5

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AMGs break, if you want honda reliability don't ever touch one. When the mercedes is running well it is so much fun to drive. That's how I justify the annoyances/expense of owning it. I've owned a camry that was just fuel/oil changes reliable. Loved it too but it was not fun to drive, just reliable. The C63 will do rolling burnouts to 50mph, and trap 12's in the 1/4 mile bone stock.

18psi

iTrader: (76)

Yeah I often eyeball AMG's because they are just so incredibly sexy, elegant, perfect blend of looks/sportiness/refinement/comfort, on paper one of the top candidates.

Gimpster

I get that, I'm just pondering to myseld how MSRP does not always have a linear relationship to reliability. I've been guilty of owning a couple cars like your C63, so I know how you feel about it

I'm not a fan of Corvettes, but for the money, they are pretty dead reliable and perform fairly well. I have to give GM some credit for that, its a sports car you could DD without much reservation.

patsmx5

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It's because the folks that design the camry/accord are hired and payed to design and build a solid reliable car. The folks doing the AMG's are trying to build a fun to drive, performance oriented car and reliability is not their top priority where at Honda, Reliability IS there top priority. If mercedes made a new version of this car called the C63-Actually-Reliable, for say 25K extra they could actually make the car a lot more reliable but how many folks would pay they extra money up front to not have to pay it later?

18psi

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I heard people say that at mb/vw/bmw they literally spec out the materials/parts to last the warranty span on the car, and that's it.

As in, x part wasn't even designed to last more than 5 years/50k miles, or whatever their warranty spans are.

Look at old Mercedes', they run forever basically. They know how to design/build reliable cars.

Gimpster

Well I'd like to back away from the argument a little bit, because 99% of the people I know who own cars like Audi S*, AMG * lease them for 24-36 months. The cars will, with some exceptions, get through that lease period with minimum routine or major maintenance. So for the original owner/lessee, the cars are rock solid AND have pretty phenomenal performance & luxury. Plus, for many people who buy/lease cars like this, it keeps them in the hottest **** every 2-3 years ... which is the whole point for some people.

So what I'm getting at is, the secondary market on these cars is pretty irrelevant anyway. The fact I'm even talking about how reliable one of those car is vs. a Honda/Toyota shows that I am but a poor prole

edit: what 18psi said.