Anyone else want to try to convince me that Palin is better than Obama?
 

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...19#post3424519

:vash::vash::vash:

Why would you say Barack Hussein Obama is better? (and why are we comparing apples to oranges anyway?)

Locked?

I had Gary remove my access to the Water Cooler, could you please copy and paste here?


I'm watching Bill o'Reilly right now...

pat, the use of Obama's middle name says a lot. it says "we have to pick on the esoteric aspects of the candidate himself because we have no real substance to compete with him."

the defense given when people are called out for using his middle name? pointless. we all are smarter than to think it's just using his name. the republicans desperately want it to mean something. and they still dont call each other by their full names including middle names, do they? No they do not. I bet most people dont even know John McCain or Sarah Palin's middle name without looking it up. I didn't.

I don't trust a guy with the name Barack Hussein Obama to run the US. I'm not too crazy into politics, at least I never was before. Everyone has an opinion, and everyone will go on and on and on to defend their points. I only know what I read online or see on the news in the morning. And Obama doesn't seem to have that great of a past, nor too good of friends.

Beyond all the shit....what college did they go to, who's smarter, who speaks better, who has governed a more populated state, etc etc. Go into anyone's past and you can pull up some shit. Everyone says something by accident or that they may not have meant at some point in their life. Why pick out little things that she said or did....small little worries considering the times. The country is in trouble.....and people are seriously debating voting for a guy named Barack Hussein Obama for the president of the United States? Give me a fucking break.... :vash:

Vash-

Palin = VPilf.

Obama :ne: Pilf.


I'll tell you the one thing I fear most about Barack Obama- he's black.

Personally, I don't so much give a shit. My family tree is sufficiently twisted that I'm not really in a position to criticize. And yeah, I know that "he's only 23 and nine-seventeenths percent black" or whatever. But the reality is that if he gets elected, he's going to be assassinated. There's just no question here. And assassinations have historically had a destabilizing effect on the host nation, which is something we don't really need just right now.

Does anybody find it odd that we're spending so much time comparing Palin to Obama? Palin isn't running for President, she's running for VP. What the hell does the VP actually have to know other than how to attend the grand opening of a new hybrid widget factory?

Besides, assuming McCain goes down with a stroke at some point, I really wanna see the look on King Abdullah II's face when Sarah goes over to visit and he has to shake hands with a chick.

What's your full name, Vash? Lets put it out there too. I wanna know what your mother decided your life should turn out like when you were born.

I wonder if john MCcain remembers the signs on the front of businesses that said "Irish need not apply" when he was a baby. A last name like "Mc-anything" was enough then.

I can't convince you that your fear of a name is irrational and unfounded. I can only sit back and be amazed that a name decides your vote.


The best solution to racism is a step backwards? Have you heard the things people are yelling at republican rallies? Kill him. terrorist. etc. etc? Well I tell you what, letting that go on is feeding those who might assassinate someone.

And honestly, he'd make a way better martyr than Palin would make a good anything.

Shake hands...before or after she shot him for looking foreign?

They are all equally full of shit.

I miss Ron Paul, not that he was all that great- but imo better than both the current candidates.

Honestly, i don't know who the hell I'm going to vote for. I strongly disagree with Mccain in some(most) aspects, and i really hate palin. While I agree that Obama stands chance to be assassinated if he takes office, I really like some of his views (and hate some of his others).
I guess I'm going to have to just watch it all go down.

+1 to Y8s, vash, and Perez.

Y8s, I'm not into Politics that much. I don't have 20 reasons why Obama should/shouldn't be president. But I agree with Vash for the most part. I'll be damned if I'm voting for Barack Hussein Obama for President of the United States of America. I can't do that. Maybe you think he's great and whatever. Then vote for him. I won't. And too many others won't. I think come election time Obama will be defeated.

And I also agree with Perez that he will most likely be assassinated if he's somehow elected into office. I've thought that ever since I heard he was running for president. I've heard others say they think this too.

This whole Hussein Obama thing is a red herring. However...

Obama's puppetmaster is Zbigniew Brzezinski, a man who was recruited by Henry Kissinger in the 70s. In case you don't know, Kissinger is a man who should be tried for war crimes.

Brzezinski wrote a book that is eerily similar to the PNAC's famous document "Rebuilding America's Defenses":

http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard

PNAC:
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/stockbauer1.html

Not to say that McCain is any better... he's a Neocon true and through.

Try reading this about the crashing economy. It connects the monetary system, Big Finance, and the 2 presidential candidates:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=10477

I'll bet a JILLION TRILLION 700 BILLION dollars that somehow the name "Hussein" ends up on the ballot. And if it does, I'm leaving.

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_type=&aq=f


Obama's brown shirts....scary

you afraid of young black men? what's scary about what they're doing? I dont see any threatening actions, weapons, criminal behavior...

what they're doing is tame compared to some widely accepted religious ceremonies.

Jason speaks the truth. ^

OMG McCain is Irish? thats it, I can deal with the niggers and the spics but not the Irish. (Blazing saddles)

hit the nail right on the head. i am voting for barr, i know it will be a wasted vote, but atleast i will be able to sleep at night.

How's it feel to be a racist white trash piece of shit?

:eek5:

Obama will win. Get over it. If nothing else has done it this economic crisis has really clarified what a hypocrite and a fool McCain is. Obama has a statistically significant lead at this point and unless something outrageous happens he won't lose. That said there are plenty of things I don't like about Obama. He's too hawkish and too centrist for my taste. He's pro oil exploration, etc... If he is elected though I seriously doubt he would get assassinated.
GREEN PARTY

I don't know about all that. He didn't say Obama was the Antichrists/Hitler's grandson/Definition of Moron/biggest POS to grace the Earth. He said he wouldn't TRUST HIM. I don't either.

Still waiting for a response to post #2.

McCain is the lesser of two evils in my book... i just hope the old bastard teaches Palin a few things about running a large entity before he croaks.

answer to #2

i think aside from the obvious personal answers where it's black and white (no pun intended), she just hasn't got a clue what's going on. at least obama (oranges/apples as you already pointed out) knows the issues and has watched the news and maybe read a paper.

see, I dont think that she's particularly DUMB, but she is trying to be something she's not. and she's trying to play it off like it's someone elses fault. the media is bad? for asking questions that are hard? honestly.

it concerns me that the campaign thinks she's actually unsafe to give to the public. that she wont say the right things. I think she worked her ass off for the debate and did "ok".

obama has been there and can form his own opinions. when he was debating john mccain, he gave substance to his arguments. and he could talk on any of the points that came up. she couldn't.

but the part that makes it a simple choice for me (whether I'm R or D or whatever) is that she represents social and moral choices I dont want made for me. plus she reminds me of my insane evangelical fundamentalist christian aunt and uncle. they dont solve problems, they pray. they dont take care of the environment, they wait out the rapture. and they dont think about what someone else wants, they force their religion down your throat.

no thanks.

why do people magically make this Obama v. Palin?

It's not McCain v. Biden? people can not legitimately say they fear McCain dying in presidency. If they do they are even more petty and silly than people who use "Hussein" with Obama. McCain is probably in better health than Clinton 2nd term. he's younger than Reagan second term. He's much better off than FDR. Still don't understand that whole deal.

A vote for the lesser of 2 evils is still a vote for evil.

Dividing the public into 2 opposite factions and getting them to vote because of whom they don't like, instead of whom they want to be prez, is EXACTLY how the manipulation works.

Anyone who will vote for Obama without studying Brzezinski, or vote for McCain, without studying Rove, is voting blind.

There's a shitload of history that isn't known to most, but verifiable.
If you understand it, you will understand how we got where we are now, where every 4 years the 2 presidential candidates are both puppets of Big Business.

You can start here:
http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf
http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling2.pdf
http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling3.pdf
http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling4.pdf

William Ayers
Jeremiah Wright
Tony Rezko
Acorn
Fannie Mae
Freddie Mac

The list goes on. Obama has very poor judgement. He could never be given high military (if he were in the military) security clearence because of the people he has associated himself with, he could never pass FBI backround checks yet you want to give him the country? Nevermind his policies Vs McCain's policies. Obama can't be trusted. He is a Marxist! Read up on Karl Marx.

Say what you want about McCain/Palin. They have no associations with people who hate America yet continue to live here.

http://www.barackobamaassociates.info/
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EXACTLY

it is so ridiculous to hear this "palin vs obama" bullshit.....ITS MCCAIN VS OBAMA PEOPLE!! (not that it makes it any better lol)...

as far as my vote, I vote NObama

I read on yahoo news that in some election they were considering using polygraphs...

I have been thinking this same thing for years.

Hook them up to a poly, and make it all live across the US. At least we'll have the honest facts..

PS--I think the reason most of the Obama V Palin come sup is because McCain's whole attack has been inexperience, then he finds this palin and just looks very hipocritical...

PPS--anyone who doesn't vote for Obama (or anyone) because of race/name/etc is a racist. Be it open or closet, its racism. I wonder what if all things equal, but McCain was black and Obama white, how many people's heads would explode...

Oh God here we go with the "racism" again

LOL!!!!! funny guy

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I'm not gonna vote for xxx because his name has Hussein in it...

I'm not gonna vote for xxx because he's black, even if its a little...

Wanna explain how thats not racism? Go ahead and say everyone has a right to vote for whoever based on whatever reason...I agree, but let's also call it what it is...

what about. I'm gonna vote for xxx because he's black! (even if it's just a little)

Can't say it's not I guess, though I never considered that racism. But I see your point.

I have my reasons I won't vote for Obama. His name is one of them. His party is another. His background is another. His views on different things is yet another.

So I guess I wasn't very clear in post 2 obviously. I asked why Obama was better. What I meant was, what does he do better than McCain or Palin? Not what do the others do that you don't like. What does he support, or intend to do to make everything better? Why should someone elect him for president over McCain? (you know Palin isn't running for president...) Stuff like that.

Y8s, it has nothing to do with black youth. It has to do with militarizing the youth for political gain. Research brown shirts...its a scary thing.

Vote for who you want for why you want. Just be wary if the only reason you vote for someone is simply because of Race or Gender. (or if you vote for someone because they aren't a certain race or a certain gender.)

Merit and ability has been lost in this race more so than any I have ever seen.

Look at what has happened in Oakland California with Ron Dellums to see a preview of Obama in the White house.

I think we got robbed in the primaries on both parties.

Exactly tell me why.

Leave out McCail/Palin in your answer and leave out his Harvard education.

What has he done in his career in politics thats makes him a better candidate for president? What has he done?
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+ eleventy billion Y8S.

One thing the next prez needs to do is rebuild the US image around the world. People don't hate us because of our freedoms (as Bush/Palin say), they hate us because we've been acting like jerks. A black prez with a Muslim sounding name would actually be a good thing for our credibility and image around the world, especially in the areas we are having the most trouble with. An angry, erratic, old, white, ex-military dude is just about as scary (if not moreso) than the current cowboy we've got.

Furthermore, if you are a racist and black men scare you, can you imagine a better role model for young black kids than a successful, well-spoken, highly educated President of the United States, one that happens to be black and came from a poor, single-parent home? Or would you rather just keep them in their place and hope you don't have to cross paths?

We're all in this together and the sooner we learn to get along and stop hating and dividing the human race/world/country/state/whatever into "us" and "them", the sooner we can get on to productive things like fixing the world economy, halting global warming, and developing clean energy instead of wasting billions killing "them." Less waste = more money to spend on good stuff like turbos.

Here is an excerpt from the book by Obama's handler Brzezinski:

Here is a quote from the PNAC's 2000 document "Rebuilding America's Defenses". PNAC promotes "American hegemony" and "Full-spectrum dominance". The PNAC is the "think tank" of the Neocons .
In this article, Michael Rupert connects Brzezinski's book, 9-11, and the invasion of Afghanistan to make the way for an oil pipeline from the region's untapped oil deposits. 9-11 has been called "The New Pearl Harbor".
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.html

If you want to speak racism, haven't you heard of Obama's Reverend, Reverend Wright? Look him up on youtube and tell me why I should want someone like Obama to rule our country.

Im so sick of fucking pansies calling everything racist I just want to scream....

living in california I can safely say that in A LOT of places here white people ARE THE MINORITY....it is that way with lots of other places too...

its so fucking retarded hearing every other motherfucker call everything racist...GEEZ

I remember a while ago that motherfucker Kanye west (or wtf his name is) didnt win some sort of award, and was quoted saying "its because a black man is not allowed to succeed" ... or something to that effect.....everyone laughed at him cause that is pathetic. so many rappers/singers/actors/athletes are black and are so successful/liked/popular and still people call "racist" every time a black man doesnt win something.

BLACKS
MEXICANS
ASIANS
EVERY OTHER MOTHERFUCKER

GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

people hate you cause you're a dumb motherfucker, not because of your race
I am tired and done for today :)
/rant

"The president's a [church bell ringing]!"
"What?!"
"I SAID, the president's a'commin, and he's a [church bell ringing]"

I've seen video of him and frankly as a white guy I agree with him. He's not a racist. It's a fact that white people enslaved blacks, institutionalized racsism and killed Native americans, etc.

Furthermore have you seen Palin's preacher??? He asked for protection for her from WITCHES!!!! And if you think yeah yeah she's just the VP it's not important consider that McCain picked her. He wants to appeal to these wackjobs. And he's entrusting an idiotic wackjob in a critical governmental position.

And exactly what good has McCain done in his career? He's pro deregulation(he's got more lobbyists involved with his campaign than anyone else who was running for president this election year INCLUDING LOBBYISTS FROM FANNIE MAE!!), pro big oil, anti social security and medicare. He was gung ho about this shit hole war we got in for no reason. Have you seen his health care plan???

The problem is most people swallow his bullshit about being a POW (you know there is an organization of vets against McCain?) and other jingoistic nonsense that satisfies a large portion of the non-thinking public who want someone as dumb as them to be president because it makes them feel better about being stupid.

And whoever said Obama is a Marxist needs to open a fucking book. Obama is a capitalist through and through unfortunately. This is my point. People throw around terms like Marxist, Terrorist, "elitist" because they either can't openly admit they hate him because he's black or it's just an excuse to not have to learn anything about the people running for office. It's easy to dismiss someone without knowing anything about them if you label them a communist or a terrorist. I WISH he was a marxist. I might vote for him if he was.
And Jason, I actually agree with everything you've said here believe it or not.

I bet your judgement was shitty, too, when you were eight.

And you want to talk about Freddie and Fanny? www.keatingeconomics.com

FDR died in office. I fear ANY president dying in office; 18% of them have. I fear ANY 72 year old dying, especially one who's had cancer (regardless of how long he's been in remission). McCain, if elected, will be the oldest president elected to the office by more than two years. Having said all that, though, his health would not be a big issue had he not made such a horrific choice for VP.

Explain to me how this makes you anything but racist. It's this kind of backwards thinking redneck fuckery that has stunted social progress for hundreds of years in this country and it disgusts me. You are a racist and a bigot and I hope you sleep soundly at night knowing it.

It could just make him an idiot?:dunno:

Also I've heard that former POWs are statistically likely to die earlier.

I love that excuse. Was he 8 when he launched his political career in Ayers living room?
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...a_marxist.html
You need to open a book. Prolly dosent matter anyway cause this statement ( I WISH he was a marxist) tells me you support communism.
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That's not a book number one. And number two that article doesn't even call Obama a Marxist. It only says he is associated with people that have sympathies for socialist ideals. His policies are capitalist. Chomsky happens to be one of the smartest people in this country by the way and is respected globally for his political and linguistic writings. Obama is so centrist and boring and not radical it's not even funny.
Oh and if you want an article that links Presidential candidates to questionable people here's one for you: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/ames_berman
from a publication largely financially supported by Paul Newman btw.

Oh and I support some of the ideals of marxism. That doesn't mean I support any of the dictatorships that have risen now or in the past falsely claiming to be communist. That would be like believing that this country is a democracy just because we call it one.

"Barack Obama has a thing for Marxists. He befriends them, listens to their counsel, and he even hires them to work in his campaign." Hmm.

"Noam Chomsky, a hypocrite and fraud masquerading as a political philosopher. Mr. Chomsky, perhaps admired by Obama as by his official blogger, is fond of visiting dictators and terrorists and giving speeches blaming all the worlds' ills on America. All while accepting money from military conteacts at MIT. " Hmmm.


When Kremlin becomes an unrepentant terrorist who admittedly bombs places here in the US, then your argument will have merit.


Im going to bed, we can continue the fun tomorrow(later). :sleep:
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God, how I savor the irony of Savington's post...

"Explain to me how this makes you anything but racist. It's this kind blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... You are a racist and a bigot and I hope you sleep soundly at night knowing it."

Followed by his sig: "Read, Think, Post. In that order."

LOL! Truly a product of an inferior education system! Try a little logic and less venomous emotion, fella. You come across like a college freshman trying to impress his date at their first protest...NOT the way to influence people and a sure-fire way to antagonize potential allies.

This bullshit gets really old really fast. Let's get the election over with so we can get back to debating the important question, "Which is better, turbos or superchargers?"

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

1. There is nothing logical about racism, or racists
2. I do not ally myself with them, so I don't care what they think
3. Did you have a point or are you a racist fuckwit too?

"Oh and I support some of the ideals of marxism. "

Fuck Marxism and fuck Communism. I stood at the East German border and saw the guard towers, saw the minefields, and saw the booby-trapped fences to keep their own people from getting out! Marxism is an abomination.

Don't even get me started on my little confrontation with the Saudi Arabian religious police in Riyadh....

Just my .02. :fawk:

Per Savington:
"1. There is nothing logical about racism, or racists
2. I do not ally myself with them, so I don't care what they think
3. Did you have a point or are you "gratuitous insult?"

:jerkit:

There is nothing logical about your three points above. Point one is arguably false. Point two, you'd better care what they think (read Sun Tzu). Point three is an emotional temper tantrum and not an argument.

So which is better, turbos or superchargers?

"Read, Think, Post. In that order."

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

..seriously, do you have a point? No insults, no sarcasm. I'm confused as to why you're attacking me.

again, that's not marxism, that's a police state. Read the communist manifesto, etc and you'll see that to be true.

And levnubhin I'm sorry but you're not going to prove anything by copying the OPINIONS of a conservative rag. I kind of doubt you knew who Chomsky was before you read that article and I also doubt you've bothered to find out anything about him from a non-biased source since. Just because they bad mouth him or make inferences about Obama doesn't make it true.

Back to Obama's reverend. Have we all forgotten that McCain denounced the far right christian conservatives in his 2000 campaign only to court the likes of Jerry Falwell (a man who blamed 9/11 on gays and feminists)in this campaign. McCain is the biggest hypocrite to come down the line in a long time. But even so does that make him a Christian conservative? No. And nothing in your article makes Obama a communist, let alone a marxist.

You're making my point for me. If you're not going to vote for someone do so because of policy not bullshit character attacks. Again, I'm not voting for Obama, but it's because I don't like all his policies not because some right wing racist says he's a commie or a terrorist or his name is funny or any other kindergarten shit. Grow up.

well I do see you're point about number one I think. There's often a logic behind it even if it is a false logic that tries to justify ignorance. There's a logic to it's source in the individual and societies. Doesn't make it correct though.

Wow.....thanks bro.

Not racist in any way, shape, or form. I think as an american citizen I have the right to say that I wouldn't trust a man with that name to run our country. It really has nothing to do with his name, but at the same time it does. I could care less if our next president was black, brown, yellow, red, a women! :giggle:

The racist card cant be pulled out that quick. Nobody here is hating on black people or saying they aren't voting for him cause he's black....etc etc. Its not fun anymore to argue over the internet.....lets set up a meeting and all sit down in person to talk. This way when a guy like johndoe tries to jump in we can pick him up and throw him out the motherfuckin window. :bowrofl:

No need to be a fucking straight up asshole Sav. I think your overreacting.....just a little.

Vash-

hope and change