Originally Posted by thymer
(Post 523123)
Bah! 9mm, might as well throw rocks at somebody. Damn things bounce off of windshields. Get yourself a real gun, Glock30
Uhm.. .45GAP for example, 185 grain JHP @ 50 yards is moving 970fps and rated at 385 ftlbs.. 9mm Luger 147 Grain JHP @ 50 yards is moving 962fps and rated 302 ftlbs.. Can you say Dead is Dead? 9mm cheaper to shoot too. ;) |
I've got a p99 specific in band holster for it. I can conceal it under a t-shirt if I wear it inside the wasteband. It would be noticed by a gun enthusiest, but not the average joe. Outsided the wasteband it is much more obvious. I forget where I ordered the holster.
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Originally Posted by thymer
(Post 523123)
Bah! 9mm, might as well throw rocks at somebody. Damn things bounce off of windshields. Get yourself a real gun, Glock30
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Originally Posted by elesjuan
(Post 523275)
:laugh:
Uhm.. .45GAP for example, 185 grain JHP @ 50 yards is moving 970fps and rated at 385 ftlbs.. 9mm Luger 147 Grain JHP @ 50 yards is moving 962fps and rated 302 ftlbs.. Can you say Dead is Dead? 9mm cheaper to shoot too. ;) |
Originally Posted by thymer
(Post 523365)
.45 acp 230 grains @ 900fps is about the best people stopper out there. Tons of knock down force and no over-penetration (like 9mm does). I do like the ballistics on the .45GAP and .40, they are good choices but... if your life depends on it, the .45 is the way to go. Ask any spec-ops, FBI, CIA, etc. and they are probably carrying a .45acp. There are many examples out there about bad guys getting hit with multiple 9mm rounds and staying in the fight, not good. 9mm is a great sub-machine gun round (see my avatar) but is mediocre as a duty or carry weapon. I carry either a Glock30 or full size 1911 depending on what I'm wearing.
A well placed round is a well placed round. 9mm hollow points center mass vs a .40, .357, .45 will yield similar results. In using a 9mm you do have to be much more selective with your ammunition. Reviewing ballistics tests are a good place to start. Hence, my golden saber choice. IF the adrenaline is pumping and all of that shooting range practice goes in the toilet and you are sending bullets all over the place,then I would agree that a larger caliber bullet will be much more beneficial. Flip side on a carry weapon is that you usally have 15 9mm rounds, to about 7 45 rounds, and 12 .40 rounds. If money were no object i would go with a .40, but 9m are much cheaper to practice with. I choose to rely more on my skilz than my bullet size. Those of you that aren't cheap bastards like me can rely on both. |
Originally Posted by djp0623
(Post 523379)
I have to disagree. .40 and .45 are good duty weapons because they are the most versitile when it comes to penetration. 9mm has a tough time going through glass. Not good for duty weapon where this scenerio would be much more prevalent than personal protection.
A well placed round is a well placed round. 9mm hollow points center mass vs a .40, .357, .45 will yield similar results. In using a 9mm you do have to be much more selective with your ammunition. Reviewing ballistics tests are a good place to start. Hence, my golden saber choice. IF the adrenaline is pumping and all of that shooting range practice goes in the toilet and you are sending bullets all over the place,then I would agree that a larger caliber bullet will be much more beneficial. Flip side on a carry weapon is that you usally have 15 9mm rounds, to about 7 45 rounds, and 12 .40 rounds. If money were no object i would go with a .40, but 9m are much cheaper to practice with. I choose to rely more on my skilz than my bullet size. Those of you that aren't cheap bastards like me can rely on both. |
Originally Posted by thymer
(Post 523389)
The average defensive gun fight consists of 3-4 rounds, those 15 rounds aren't necessary but are popular in the movies. Shot placement is great but shooting at the range isn't going to help that. When you are in a gun fight you are not standing still, you're moving around, the tunnel vision kicks in and you're shooting for center of mass. Two in the chest and one in the head is fun in the movies but it isn't reality. All I'm saying is that if you are going to carry something and you've already made the moral decision that you'll take a life to protect yours or someone else's why not give yourself the best odds? I hope those skilz don't let you down when you most need them.
Same reason I prefer low-recoil buck in a shotgun. A couple fewer pellets, but makes a huge difference in follow up shots. MD sucks, btw, I shouldn't be allowed to respond to this thread. :vash: |
I have a Springfield XD9MM Sub-Compact with night sights, and SureFire X400 Light, also with a 15 round extended clip. I really don't like the feel of it honestly, i'm used to Beretta 9MM..
As far as .45 Ammo etc, a lot of police sway away from it as well as the Military due to exactly what was stated penetration value. You're responsible for your round, if one misses the target and goes into a wall...it will keep traveling, and could hit an innocent person. I stick to 9MM ammo for that reason. You're lucky you have concealed carry...IL sucks! |
Im still 85% sure im going with the G26. However this weekend im Renting a few guns and will be deciding by the end of the trip. Most likely hit up Gunbroker.com and get one with the glock factory night sights since 80% of shootings occur at night.
As far as night sights go. Yea i can get TruGLO or the colored ones but ill end up spending an extra 125 for them. Factory glocks that come with them are only 30-40$ more and they all do the same thing. For me, i think this will be a great step towards me feeling safer around town; especially when i start having a family. |
Melonite coated Heinie Straight-8's...my night sights are just as durable as the Glock 30 they are attached to.
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Originally Posted by jtothawhat
(Post 523433)
I have a Springfield XD9MM Sub-Compact with night sights, and SureFire X400 Light, also with a 15 round extended clip. I really don't like the feel of it honestly, i'm used to Beretta 9MM..
As far as .45 Ammo etc, a lot of police sway away from it as well as the Military due to exactly what was stated penetration value. You're responsible for your round, if one misses the target and goes into a wall...it will keep traveling, and could hit an innocent person. I stick to 9MM ammo for that reason. You're lucky you have concealed carry...IL sucks! |
Originally Posted by thymer
(Post 523447)
9mm penetrates more, not less than the .45acp.
What about a heavier bullet? This is the last thing i want to have happen in a life threatening situation. Maybe i come out okay but some pregnant chick passerby gets hit with one of my strays. Absolutely what i do not want. |
Yes, I have my CWP and if you see me you can bet that I am carrying (I don't EVER leave home without it). I carry a tiny P32 but I have a big dick so that makes up for it...
Not my gun or my hand - just posted so you know what size the thing is. 8+1 rounds of FMJ 32 ACP: http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review...n_palm_350.jpg |
Originally Posted by rmcelwee
(Post 523468)
Yes, I have my CWP and if you see me you can bet that I am carrying (I don't EVER leave home without it). I carry a tiny P32 but I have a big dick so that makes up for it...
Not my gun or my hand - just posted so you know what size the thing is. 8+1 rounds of FMJ 32 ACP: http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review...n_palm_350.jpg How do you carry? Pocket pistol? |
Taken the class, no gun or permit. Waiting for my hands to heal so I can practice. Hurt them both at work in seperate incidents. Hopefully this spring.
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Originally Posted by SKMetalworks
(Post 523461)
Do hollow-points decrease penetration?
What about a heavier bullet? This is the last thing i want to have happen in a life threatening situation. Maybe i come out okay but some pregnant chick passerby gets hit with one of my strays. Absolutely what i do not want. |
I have a CHL in Texas for almost 2 years now. I carry a Ruger SR9 (17+1) with Hydra-Shok rounds. I went with Hydra shock because the post in the center helps create drag so it won't penetrate your victim, err... I mean assaliant :-P
Plus since it won't go through, the Dr.'s will have to dig it out causing more damage then well who knows... |
I leave my miata unlock and it doesn't require a key to start. My '07 Honda quad is outside (under shelter) with the key in the ignition. I think I'm safe beyond a shadow of a doubt.
HOWEVER, I'm watching the Star Wars trilogy with my GF who has some how survived 27 years without seeing it, and it really really makes me wanna carry a big fuck off pistol on my hip. And striped pants. |
Had a CWP when I was living in WA and carried a fair amount of the time. Here in CA it's about impossible to get a CWP unless you live wayyyy out in the sticks, or you're a politician/famous/rich.
I have a Kimber Compact Stainless in .45acp which was my carry gun. |
Originally Posted by SKMetalworks
(Post 523470)
How do you carry? Pocket pistol?
http://mysite.verizon.net/dmk0210/p3...ketHolster.jpg |
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