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JasonC SBB 06-24-2013 12:19 PM

Assassination by remote car hacking
 
I wonder how much of this is plausible. Seems pretty far fetched that an OE would have a vulnerability allowing remote WOT operation:

Nobody's Safe: 'Car Hacking' the Latest Advanced Form of Assassination - | Intellihub.com

Savington 06-24-2013 12:29 PM

I wonder why quoting a fucking YouTube comment is considered passable journalism in today's world.

Joe Perez 06-24-2013 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1024544)
Seems pretty far fetched that an OE would have a vulnerability allowing remote WOT operation:

As much as I'd like to believe that such a hack is impossible, I have to consider that even companies which specialize in making computer software secure occasionally screw up.

In other words, while it seems improbable that this specific occurrence was the result of a hack, the underlying idea is not merely plausible, but has been demonstrated in actual practice at the grey-hat level.

http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-oakland2010.pdf
Communications - November 2011

Braineack 06-24-2013 01:02 PM

I was debating the legality of getting a ticket if your car is self-driving with a coworker. I'm convinced that if self driving cars become a reality, then I want one, and I want to program it to speed like a maniac and run red lights and get me where I want ASAP, and I cant be held at fault because I wasnt driving.

18psi 06-24-2013 01:03 PM

But how will it handle low throttle tip in issues? :party:

Braineack 06-24-2013 01:13 PM

I wouldn't be stuck in traffic where I'd be in 3rd gear at 1000RPM, because my car would drive on the shoulder or HOV lane by itself.

thenuge26 06-24-2013 01:34 PM

If the government had a top secret backdoor which they could use to crash your car, would they use it in such an obvious manner while also investigating the guy? I mean they could talk to his friends and family AFTER they murder him by hacking his car and nobody would suspect foul play.

Just seems like more "unintended acceleration" luddite fearmongering to me.

JasonC SBB 06-24-2013 01:50 PM

The gov't could be investigating the guy, but if he was murdered, the murderers aren't "the gov't", but just an individual(s) who work(s) in the gov't and whose asses are on the line. Could've been one guy who wanted him offed.

Savington 06-24-2013 02:03 PM

I legitimately question the intelligence of people who think that our government is competent enough to secretly murder people who are under active investigation and then successfully cover it up.

Joe Perez 06-24-2013 02:07 PM

Given a large enough population (eg: the US), the laws of probability dictate that individuals who have somehow opposed "The Government" will, from time to time, die under unusual circumstances.

In particular, Mr. Hastings was 33 years old at the time of his death. Those of us who have been a male in their early 30s can attest to the fact that individuals of that demographic group sometimes exhibit a proclivity towards the use of drugs and/or alcohol, and occasionally operate motor vehicles in an unsafe manner.

I consider this to be no more suspicious than Spinal Tap's long run of bad luck with drummers perishing from various improbable causes (spontaneous combustion while on stage, choking on someone else's vomit, gardening accidents, and mysteries best left unsolved.)

JasonC SBB 06-24-2013 03:27 PM

There seems to be a preponderance of unusual deaths of "controversial" individuals in recent months:
Suspicious Activist and Whistleblower Deaths on the Rise

Boston bombing FBI agents:
FBI Agents Killed in Virginia Were Investigating the Boston Bombing - | Intellihub.com

Previously, Seal Team 6
Helicopter Crash in Afghanistan Reportedly Kills Members of SEAL Team 6 | Fox News

And on a slightly different topic, Obama admin has been very hard on whistleblowers, and has invoked the Espionage Act more than previous admins combined:
Washington keeps getting worse for whistleblowers | WashingtonExaminer.com

gearhead_318 06-24-2013 03:36 PM

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The Jews did it.

Conclusive proof:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1372102569

Joe Perez 06-24-2013 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1024646)
There seems to be a preponderance of unusual deaths of "controversial" individuals in recent months:

I'm sure that this is unrelated to the fact that improvements in search engine technology and access to big-data-style clouds has increased the ease of sifting through large volumes of information in search of apparent correlation.

Fireindc 06-24-2013 03:47 PM

Jews? Nah, too vague. A banking cartel that has a massive influence over world politics, media, and economies .. maybe.

World Bank Insider Blows Whistle on Corruption, Federal Reserve

miata2fast 06-24-2013 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1024568)
I was debating the legality of getting a ticket if your car is self-driving with a coworker. I'm convinced that if self driving cars become a reality, then I want one, and I want to program it to speed like a maniac and run red lights and get me where I want ASAP, and I cant be held at fault because I am dead.

Fixed for accuracy. ;)

NastyNate 06-25-2013 01:59 AM

After seeing pics of the car post wreck it seems a bit odd. The engine about a 100ft away and it looked like the body was pretty fubar... Very odd indeed.

TurboTim 06-25-2013 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by NastyNate (Post 1024836)
After seeing pics of the car post wreck it seems a bit odd. The engine about a 100ft away and it looked like the body was pretty fubar... Very odd indeed.

Tell me about it. Typically the damage is minimal when you impact an immovable object at a high rate of speed.

JasonC SBB 06-25-2013 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by NastyNate (Post 1024836)
After seeing pics of the car post wreck it seems a bit odd. The engine about a 100ft away and it looked like the body was pretty fubar... Very odd indeed.

Engine mount bolts were replaced with explosive bolts!

Couple of years ago a dude at work, driving a modded Camaro, raced another car on the curvy-ish, bumpy street in front of the office. He lost control and hit a tree. I drove to work and saw a crane lifting the engine and tranny into a towtruck, about 20 ft from the bashed tree. The guy only suffered minor injuries.

JasonC SBB 06-25-2013 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1024652)
I'm sure that this is unrelated to the fact that improvements in search engine technology and access to big-data-style clouds has increased the ease of sifting through large volumes of information in search of apparent correlation.

Bah, it's equally silly to dismiss murder, when the motives are certainly there.

A good question to ask is, are there any well documented historical cases of white collar criminals hiring hitmen?

NastyNate 06-25-2013 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1024953)
Engine mount bolts were replaced with explosive bolts!

Couple of years ago a dude at work, driving a modded Camaro, raced another car on the curvy-ish, bumpy street in front of the office. He lost control and hit a tree. I drove to work and saw a crane lifting the engine and tranny into a towtruck, about 20 ft from the bashed tree. The guy only suffered minor injuries.

20ft I could see, but 100? Did the Camaro look like it had been stuck in an incinerator?

JasonC SBB 06-25-2013 12:37 PM

The Camaro looked like it was in a bad front-end collision.
I was surprised at the minor-ness of the injuries given the car puked the whole engine/tranny.

But yea the Hastings thing is fishy. But no, there's no motive and murder never happens. Having said that, a crash like that seems a pretty complicated way to murder someone.

NastyNate 06-25-2013 01:09 PM

Complicated? Yes. But it certainly sends a message, especially since he was due to release some article about the gooberment and suspected he was being investigated by the fbi. Just way too many coincedences.

thenuge26 06-25-2013 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by NastyNate (Post 1024974)
Did the Camaro look like it had been stuck in an incinerator?

Have you ever seen a car fire? You don't need a literal explosion for that to happen.

NastyNate 06-25-2013 02:20 PM

Saw a few in Iraq, but not of the motors jumped out of the car 100ft...

Braineack 06-25-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 1025044)
Have you ever seen a car fire? You don't need a literal explosion for that to happen.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1372184597

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...o/DSC_3609.JPG


I saw this assassination once.

thenuge26 06-25-2013 02:23 PM

Why would those 2 things be mutually exclusive?

Savington 06-25-2013 03:41 PM

Illuminati crew ITT.

18psi 06-25-2013 03:42 PM

:laugh:

Braineack 06-25-2013 04:58 PM

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Braineack 06-25-2013 05:00 PM

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BenR 06-25-2013 07:00 PM

I'm just glad there has never been any precedent for this type of thing ever happening in the past. That alone lets you know you tin foil hat guys are completely wacko.

DaveC 06-25-2013 07:59 PM

Be careful what you say. The Government is monitoring this thread.

Joe Perez 06-25-2013 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1025005)
But yea the Hastings thing is fishy. But no, there's no motive and murder never happens. Having said that, a crash like that seems a pretty complicated way to murder someone.

As usual, you're missing the big picture here.

Were it not for the incompetence of Marshal Patrice de Mac-Mahon at the Battle of Sedan, Bazaine would never have so readily surrendered to the Prussian army following the Siege at Metz. Had Paris stood, the Papal States would not have been annexed by Italy in the winter of 1870, and things would have gone VERY differently indeed for the young Mr. Hastings.

If you're going to blame a government for this, blame the Second Imperial French Empire under Emperor Napoleon III.

JasonC SBB 06-25-2013 11:56 PM

You missed it when I said any foul play would be done by an individual, not "the gov't".

Joe Perez 06-26-2013 12:20 AM

Use whatever semantics and wordplay you like- it doesn't change the fact that the real culprits in this have been dead for more than a hundred years.

We don't need wild speculation and recrimination, we need The Ghostbusters.

Savington 06-26-2013 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1025260)
You missed it when I said any foul play would be done by an individual, not "the gov't".

How do you know so much about it? :tinfoil:

shuiend 06-26-2013 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1025297)
How do you know so much about it? :tinfoil:

Jason is really the MAN!!!!!!!!!! He did it and is behind all major conspiracies.

Braineack 06-26-2013 10:18 AM

Can he explain how magnets work?

JasonC SBB 06-26-2013 10:32 AM

dia or para? I can explain one but not the other.

Savington 06-26-2013 02:29 PM

Jason is the second shooter on the grassy knoll. :party:

JasonC SBB 06-26-2013 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by Savington
How do you know so much about it? :tinfoil:

I don't. I was hoping someone else here has put time into it.

And I keep saying, I said it may have been a murder, and not a "gov't conspiracy". It just so happens the people he pissed off, work for the gov't. What's up with the idiotic reaction that any murder done by a high ranking gov't official, must be a "conspiracy"?

thenuge26 06-26-2013 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1025535)
What's up with the idiotic reaction that any murder done by a high ranking gov't official, must be a "conspiracy"?

It's not the fact that you are attributing this to the government that makes it a conspiracy.

The fact that you are assuming it was a murder is.

Tens of thousands of people die in car crashes every year, and almost none of them were murdered. What makes you think this one was different?

JasonC SBB 06-26-2013 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 1025538)
It's not the fact that you are attributing this to the government that makes it a conspiracy.

I never said "gov't did it". You are assuming I said it.


The fact that you are assuming it was a murder is.
I never assumed. You are assuming I assumed. In my OP, I used the phrase "far fetched". In my other posts, I said "..if foul play" et al.

I also said "I wonder how many documented contract killings by white collar criminals there are". You are arguing against a strawman.


Tens of thousands of people die in car crashes every year, and almost none of them were murdered. What makes you think this one was different?
And what makes you think murders never happen?

JasonC SBB 08-13-2013 11:01 AM

Some new stuff and speculation:

Video of crash:
Michael Hastings death: New video of crash emerges - latimes.com

Hist next target was the new CIA director John Brennan:
San Diego 6 - CIA Director Brennan Confirmed as Reporter Michael Hastings Next Target

NastyNate 08-14-2013 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 1025538)
Tens of thousands of people die in car crashes every year, and almost none of them were murdered. What makes you think this one was different?

Show me how many have the motor 200 feet from the accident...


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