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Old 06-24-2013, 01:19 PM   #1
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I wonder how much of this is plausible. Seems pretty far fetched that an OE would have a vulnerability allowing remote WOT operation:

Nobody's Safe: 'Car Hacking' the Latest Advanced Form of Assassination - | Intellihub.com
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I wonder why quoting a ******* YouTube comment is considered passable journalism in today's world.
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Seems pretty far fetched that an OE would have a vulnerability allowing remote WOT operation:
As much as I'd like to believe that such a hack is impossible, I have to consider that even companies which specialize in making computer software secure occasionally screw up.

In other words, while it seems improbable that this specific occurrence was the result of a hack, the underlying idea is not merely plausible, but has been demonstrated in actual practice at the grey-hat level.

http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-oakland2010.pdf
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I was debating the legality of getting a ticket if your car is self-driving with a coworker. I'm convinced that if self driving cars become a reality, then I want one, and I want to program it to speed like a maniac and run red lights and get me where I want ASAP, and I cant be held at fault because I wasnt driving.
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But how will it handle low throttle tip in issues?
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I wouldn't be stuck in traffic where I'd be in 3rd gear at 1000RPM, because my car would drive on the shoulder or HOV lane by itself.
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If the government had a top secret backdoor which they could use to crash your car, would they use it in such an obvious manner while also investigating the guy? I mean they could talk to his friends and family AFTER they murder him by hacking his car and nobody would suspect foul play.

Just seems like more "unintended acceleration" luddite fearmongering to me.
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The gov't could be investigating the guy, but if he was murdered, the murderers aren't "the gov't", but just an individual(s) who work(s) in the gov't and whose asses are on the line. Could've been one guy who wanted him offed.
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I legitimately question the intelligence of people who think that our government is competent enough to secretly murder people who are under active investigation and then successfully cover it up.
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Given a large enough population (eg: the US), the laws of probability dictate that individuals who have somehow opposed "The Government" will, from time to time, die under unusual circumstances.

In particular, Mr. Hastings was 33 years old at the time of his death. Those of us who have been a male in their early 30s can attest to the fact that individuals of that demographic group sometimes exhibit a proclivity towards the use of drugs and/or alcohol, and occasionally operate motor vehicles in an unsafe manner.

I consider this to be no more suspicious than Spinal Tap's long run of bad luck with drummers perishing from various improbable causes (spontaneous combustion while on stage, choking on someone else's vomit, gardening accidents, and mysteries best left unsolved.)
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There seems to be a preponderance of unusual deaths of "controversial" individuals in recent months:
Suspicious Activist and Whistleblower Deaths on the Rise

Boston bombing FBI agents:
FBI Agents Killed in Virginia Were Investigating the Boston Bombing - | Intellihub.com

Previously, Seal Team 6
Helicopter Crash in Afghanistan Reportedly Kills Members of SEAL Team 6 | Fox News

And on a slightly different topic, Obama admin has been very hard on whistleblowers, and has invoked the Espionage Act more than previous admins combined:
Washington keeps getting worse for whistleblowers | WashingtonExaminer.com
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The Jews did it.

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There seems to be a preponderance of unusual deaths of "controversial" individuals in recent months:
I'm sure that this is unrelated to the fact that improvements in search engine technology and access to big-data-style clouds has increased the ease of sifting through large volumes of information in search of apparent correlation.
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Jews? Nah, too vague. A banking cartel that has a massive influence over world politics, media, and economies .. maybe.

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I was debating the legality of getting a ticket if your car is self-driving with a coworker. I'm convinced that if self driving cars become a reality, then I want one, and I want to program it to speed like a maniac and run red lights and get me where I want ASAP, and I cant be held at fault because I am dead.
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After seeing pics of the car post wreck it seems a bit odd. The engine about a 100ft away and it looked like the body was pretty fubar... Very odd indeed.
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After seeing pics of the car post wreck it seems a bit odd. The engine about a 100ft away and it looked like the body was pretty fubar... Very odd indeed.
Tell me about it. Typically the damage is minimal when you impact an immovable object at a high rate of speed.
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After seeing pics of the car post wreck it seems a bit odd. The engine about a 100ft away and it looked like the body was pretty fubar... Very odd indeed.
Engine mount bolts were replaced with explosive bolts!

Couple of years ago a dude at work, driving a modded Camaro, raced another car on the curvy-ish, bumpy street in front of the office. He lost control and hit a tree. I drove to work and saw a crane lifting the engine and tranny into a towtruck, about 20 ft from the bashed tree. The guy only suffered minor injuries.
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I'm sure that this is unrelated to the fact that improvements in search engine technology and access to big-data-style clouds has increased the ease of sifting through large volumes of information in search of apparent correlation.
Bah, it's equally silly to dismiss murder, when the motives are certainly there.

A good question to ask is, are there any well documented historical cases of white collar criminals hiring hitmen?
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Engine mount bolts were replaced with explosive bolts!

Couple of years ago a dude at work, driving a modded Camaro, raced another car on the curvy-ish, bumpy street in front of the office. He lost control and hit a tree. I drove to work and saw a crane lifting the engine and tranny into a towtruck, about 20 ft from the bashed tree. The guy only suffered minor injuries.
20ft I could see, but 100? Did the Camaro look like it had been stuck in an incinerator?
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