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Old 11-20-2007, 11:26 AM   #1
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http://shop3.outpost.com/product/522...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

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I am looking at these two systems, what do they mean when they say separate audio source?

I don't need up converting as everything I have is HD or up converts itself (HD cable box and PS3)

What I want is a HDMI switching receiver which I will use with stereo speakers and center channel until I get a house and install surround sound. What do you recommend?
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:29 AM   #2
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or this one and hold onto the speakers or sell thim

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/produ....do?oid=177422
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:56 AM   #3
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I made my company's prez get the one in your 2nd post becuase he had nothing. he seems happy. i'd bet it's identical to one of the others spec wise but I haven't looked closely.

separate audio connection means they dont pass through the HDMI audio feed. need optical/coax i believe.
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That works i guess, so no audio to the tv and just from the speakers?

Im gonna try to verify if thats true.
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the hdmi section of the receiver is a basic switcher only. it doesn't process video and it doesn't handle the audio. you'd need to run a second cable to bring audio from your source devices to the receiver. means 2 connections per device instead of 1. besides extra cable cost, the other disadvantage may be a possible audio-video time mismatch. most recievers have an adjustable audio delay though. don't know if those do as I am unable to get Onkyo.
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the hdmi section of the receiver is a basic switcher only. it doesn't process video and it doesn't handle the audio. you'd need to run a second cable to bring audio from your source devices to the receiver. means 2 connections per device instead of 1. besides extra cable cost, the other disadvantage may be a possible audio-video time mismatch. most recievers have an adjustable audio delay though. don't know if those do as I am unable to get Onkyo.
That sucks does Denon have the same issue?
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Best cables company I've ever dealt with
http://www2.dvigear.com/
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That sucks does Denon have the same issue?
has nothing to do with the receiver. has to do with the fact that the video takes longer to process than audio, so the video will lag behind. many receivers will have an adjustable audio delay to keep things in time. the newest hdmi protocols use individual time stamps on both audio and video signals and match them up when the signal is processed, if source and destination devices are both hdmi 1.3 or greater.
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HDMI SUCKS!! this pisses me off
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that means I have to buy another cord for the PS3 to get a separate audio out.
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has nothing to do with the receiver. has to do with the fact that the video takes longer to process than audio, so the video will lag behind. many receivers will have an adjustable audio delay to keep things in time. the newest hdmi protocols use individual time stamps on both audio and video signals and match them up when the signal is processed, if source and destination devices are both hdmi 1.3 or greater.

There will never be an audio-video time mismatch. HDMI is raw data, there is no processing required when it comes out of the PS3 or a HD DVD player. Audio comes in as data as well whether it comes through the HDMI or Optical or Coax, the processors in these things are so fast that what you say will never occur.

The audio delay you speak of is for configuring speakers that are spaced differently around a room. The time delay will cause a particular speaker to get its information slightly later then another.
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Ben, are the recievers out there that can take the audio from HDMI
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Ben, are the recievers out there that can take the audio from HDMI
Yes there are.

Especially handy if you have a TV with a cable card and only want to run one wire to get full surround out of it.
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Yes there are.
Any suggestions? Im not an audiophile by any means, but I am a feature hog.
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Any suggestions? Im not an audiophile by any means, but I am a feature hog.
Where are you going to be shopping and how soon do you plan to use this feature and how much do you want to spend?

edit: What you really should be doing is going to home theater boutiques and listening to setups to see what you like. Find the setup that you like the most that has the receiver you can afford, then buy just the receiver. Buy the rest later.

edit 2: I am a Yamaha *****, so if you can find one in your price range that has the feature you want you wont be disappointed.
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Sam, you're an idiot.

Loki, the vast majority do. I took a quick look at the onkyo site for you, and any of their models 605 or greater will. The 875 w/ Reon-HQV video processing is very impressive. It's also $$$$
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Sam, you're an idiot.

Loki, the vast majority do. I took a quick look at the onkyo site for you, and any of their models 605 or greater will. The 875 w/ Reon-HQV video processing is very impressive. It's also $$$$
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If lipsync problems is what you are trying to get at, then I personally doubt that it will be the responsibility of the receiver or the TV to solve but rather the source.
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Sam, I think your missing the point. Natively there is not issue, but running a signal through a processor will cause delays.

Suggestions for 200-300?
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Sam, I think your missing the point. Natively there is not issue, but running a signal through a processor will cause delays.

Suggestions for 200-300?
I am just saying, that even with processing the delay is imperceptible. Its literally in the milliseconds.

For now Id get the cheaper of the two you listed and you will be fine. You got two HDMI's with switching, and you will just have to toss in two opticals for your devices.

They arent the best but this should hold you over.
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